What to Watch: TV chat with Hank Stuever

May 03, 2018

Post TV critic Hank Stuever talked about what's bad, good and so bad it's good on TV.

Here's what Hank would watch if he wasn't paid to watch TV: "Game of Thrones," "The Americans," "Better Things" "The Handmaid's Tale" and "Shameless" Lately he's been digging Lately he's been digging "The Good Fight," "Barry" and "Westworld."

Greetings, chatters. I hope everyone is having a good Thursday.

"The Americans" is getting more tense and, as usual, we have a few comments from last night's episode. I'll group them together in a few minutes for those who want to skip over them, same as I did last week.

With that, let's chat!

I just can't watch this anymore. It has just become so unpleasant that the underlying message seems lost underneath all the barbarism. I thing the writers need to remember that sometimes less is more.

Sometimes less is more, but in the case of "The Handmaid's Tale," I think they're doing just about everything right -- and using all this misery to lay groundwork (I hope) for a more stirring rebellion story.

Remember the epilogue in Atwood's novel? It jumped ahead many decades -- maybe even a century? -- to an academic conference of professors who research and study the rise and fall of Gilead. Offred's cassette tapes (in the 1985 version) had surfaced and provided rare first-person details of the handmaid system and life in theocratic rule. So, something big had happened, in the intervening years, and now Gilead was a subject for the history books, compared to other hardline theocratic societies (Iran, e.g.) in the past. I trust that this is where the series is ultimately headed, for however many seasons it lasts (it just got renewed by Hulu for Season 3). In other words, it's not just misery for misery's sake, like "The Walking Dead," for which there can never really be a satisfying end to all its gore.

Hi - My husband and I watch Blackish together and I'm afraid they are too good at depicting the malaise a long relationship can/does go through - we've all been there, and it is painful to watch something so spot-on. Not really why we tune into a sit-com. But here is to everyone that perseveres (through thte TV show, but really those stages!)

It's still a whole lot lighter than, say, "Divorce" on HBO (or "Barry" or any of the other moody dramedies). "Blackish" stopped being a basic sitcom long ago, if it ever really was one.

Although this is an overseas production, I know that you have seen it, and you mentioned that you were hoping to return to it. I started watching it on the advice of a friend who digs Sandra Oh. I'm trying to decide if I love it or if I am simply being seduced by the charisma of Jodie Comer. That is, although I am swooning right now, I am unsure if it can maintain its appeal for an entire season. I can see the cutesy psycho-babe bit getting old fast.

Because this was ordered by and produced by and is getting its first airing on BBC AMERICA, I consider it an American-market show rather than an import. This may sound like a technical thing, but for my purposes it's not. (Again, I've got nothing against foreign productions, but my life as a lone TV critic facing 500 or so American-made scripted shows is such that I can't spend it reviewing what are essentially British reruns. "Killing Eve" is not that.)

I've watched two episodes -- and didn't find it anywhere near a getting-old-fast condition.

Seven Seconds, on Netflix, was so great. I really enjoyed it. I feel it was one of the best things I've seen on TV in a long time. Here's hoping Netflix and Veena Sud team up for more content!


Quite the cliffhanger to end their 10-ep season. I guess they're banking pretty hard on getting picked up? SPOILER ALERT Is the cliffhanger, though supposed to be "will she shoot him" -- or "WHO will she shoot"?

I haven't seen the finale yet -- and thank you for the carefully worded spoiler --  nor have I heard if it's picked up. (I think it will be.) Tis the season for renewal/cancellation news, however. Those of you who still watch a lot of network TV had better brace yourselves accordingly. Unless you watch CBS, where I think just about everything has been renewed already, except for just a few shows ("Instinct") that are still unknown.

Can you give us a television watcher's explanation as to what is going on with this merger? I am totally confused, but I thought you might be able to explain the issues in a simplified way since you know about production and distribution of television shows.

Sorry to let you down, but no, I'm currently lost and/or befuddled by the state of all the deals, not just AT&T and Time Warner, but Viacom and CBS, and whatever state the Disney/Fox deal is in (with the side action from Comcast/Universal), etc and so on.

You need a business/entertainment writer who roots around in these circles of wheeler-dealers, not a TV critic who lives in solitary confinement watching and reviewing shows.

A couple of weeks ago, someone asked whether PBS will pick up the second season of Unforgotten. They have, as Masterpiece Theater (check your local listings, google it, or just ask Hank to google it for you). The show already ran on ITV, so I'm sure spoilers are also available on Google.

So efficient, thank you!

I LOL'ed reading the first comment, because I'm not a usual visitor and clicked over specifically to say how glad I am that it's back and as good as Season 1. I guess this is a good reminder that YMMV when it comes to TV as with everything else. I sobbed uncontrollably re-watching the last episode of Season 1 in prep for the new season and have been enthralled with the first three episodes. It really is excellent TV, in my opinion, of course.

I approve of your opinion! And you're getting great mileage!

I'm banking on it being canceled. It seems every quasi cop/law show with a weirdo protagonist that my wife and I start watching gets axed quickly. Only Franklin & Basch broke that mold, and that's only because TNT.

Whereas I feel like all the quasi-cop/law shows with a weirdo/specially-talented protagonist get renewed, particularly the CBS kind.

I am noticing a trend that a lot of tv shows seem to be getting darker. Not in the subject matter but in the lighting! Just recently on The Americans (the warehouse scene), the Handmaid's Tale, and Jessica Jones I found the lighting to be entirely too dark to follow the action. I tried fiddling with the brightness on the TV, but that didn't always work. I don't want to have to watch TV with blackout curtains in the pitch dark in order to see the screen. While I appreciate that shows can be more cinematic and atmospheric, I need to see the dang TV! OK, I know this makes me old, but it is a pet peeve of mine. Sometimes the desire for "atmosphere" can take away from a story. Rant over. Thank you!

How old is your TV? They do run down, you know; nowadays. they're basically just high-def monitors. In the old days, darker and darker pictures meant the tube (the literal tube inside the TV) was dying. I'm seeing everything nice and clear on the big LG downstairs; more difficult on the smaller, older LG in the upstairs bedroom. And, here at my desk at The Post, darker scenes are as clear as can be on my left computer monitor, which is newer and sharper than the monitor on the right.

I am not experiencing this in the same way the other chatter is! I find it gives me gratitude for the freedoms we do have and galvanized to do what I can to hold on to them. I also recognize that the story is especially horrifying to me as a white American woman of roughly Offred's age but that many elements of this are a reality for women all over the world. It's not really science fiction.

Yes it is very difficult to watch but a necessary story that shows how easy it can be to subjugate a specific population in society. It really has an important message that some people (Kanye West and others) should watch and learn. Actually it's right up there with roots as far as that goes. We all think we would fight back but could we really? This show is an excellent extension of the book. I read it 30 years ago and it stuck with me like most books never do.

will you preview each new summer television show as they begin to appear, or will you do a summary of all of them at one time?

I usually do a mix of both. There will be a summer TV preview with some brief, blurby, coming-soon words about 10 or so new shows that I think merit a look. And then, for the ones where I really have something to say, I'll do a full review. It's not an either/or thing. I'll also including a list of returning shows, with some recommendations.

I think Homeland knocked it out of the park again this season. Especially the last two episodes were real nail biters.

Me too.

Dunno if you read this or not when it ran April 25, but I'll post it again. In it I discuss how "Homeland" always manages to right itself near each season's end.

The newer TVs are built with what I think is a stupid assumption. If the scene is dark, the TV automatically adjusts itself to be darker. Like the OP, I find myself having to turn out lights to see the details in dark scenes. As a multi-tasker, this is quite annoying.

I haven't noticed. I watch TV with some very soft living-room lights on and only occasionally run into something that's literally too dark to see what's happening.

I am a West Wing junkie and I am loving the Joshua Malina co-hosted West Wing Weekly podcast where they rewatch and digest an episode every week. I know that podcast is pretty unique as it's one of the stars of the show that co-hosts, but are you aware of any other podcasts doing similar things? I'm in the middle of a Grey's Anatomy rewatch and probably will start ER next because I just resubscribed to Hulu for HT, but I could use a break from medical drama and would consider a different show if there was a companion podcast available. I am a sucker for rewatching TV I know I'll like rather than trying new things, haha.

I'm sure there must be other podcasts like that (maybe not with cast members), so I'll throw it out here for the chatters while I sit back and try to imagine what it would be like to have enough to time to rewatch the entire stretch of a long-running series AND listen to that many podcasts about it. Good for you, however you're managing to do this.

I find INSTINCT and MADAM SECRETARY (and the NCIS spinoff to a lesser extent) a pleasant way to finish up the weekend. I enjoy the cast(s) and am happy to have Alan Cummings back on TV, even in a trifle. What kind of budgets do these police departments have, anyway? Or are these armies of "consultants" working pro bono?

I used to imagine what a local reporter, scrutinizing the city police budget, would think of such arrangements: "The city's police department has for five years paid a blind consultant with allegedly superior olfactory skills nearly $200,000 a year to assist a homicide detective with his cases, a recent audit has found."

Rounding up #TheAmericans questions/comments now ... stand by or get ready to scroll past ...

Character motivation is always tricky, but it seems odd to me that the death of the Teacups would be such a big deal to Philip. But, maybe that's the point - he is still on-board enough to do One Last Job. Maybe if the tipping point had been something like Elizabeth killing Kimmie he would be too thoroughly lost. I know a certain amount of artificiality is needed to advance the plot, but Philip seems to have become such a malleable character that it is hard to suspend belief. Especially if they are heading towards a "Butch and Sundance" ending.

I don't find Philip (or the way he's written) to be inconsistent in the least.

Did F/X send a memo in the middle of filming that let everyone off the leash in terms of swearing? Not that it bothers me, we're all adults here, and in fact I was probably ten minutes into it before my brain caught up with "Wait, did Elizabeth really drop an f-bomb even before the opening credits?" Then they just went crazy for the rest of the episode. Anyway. This show remains my favorite thing on television. Someone last week mentioned that they have thought of a dozen plausible ways this could end, and I totally agree, which I think makes the suspense that much worse/more awesome.

FX has been over that line already and it's been noted. Here's a piece from Bethonie Butler in 2016 that explains. 

To be honest, I watch so much sex, violence and cursing in my job that it takes a whole lot of it for me to say, whoa, hold on here -- is this gratooooooooooitous? I grew up with Tipper Gore and others doing their best to protect my virgin ears, which worked ... not at all. So I rarely have a reaction to hearing it, or stop to think, Hey, this isn't premium cable! I don't know, I guess I'm just past it. Also I don't have kids, so ...

Had I known much about this season I'd have bought stock in companies that make blood pressure medication. Definitely living up to my hopes.

You said it. I watched episodes 6 and 7 last Friday and seriously worried about my health for a second or two. Next week is INTENSE.

Has this happened before on a basic cable show? I recall only one other time, on the American Crime OJ series from the mouth of Marcia Clark.

See above.

After being disappointed last year, I cant believe how strongly the Americans has rebounded in its final season. I don't know whether the personal or espionage plotline is more intense. While too many shows stumble to the end, it's been a while since I've seen a show finish this strong.

Totally agree -- it's like they heard our complaints and got down to business. Also having only 10 episodes to wrap it up is probably a big help.

I've got the Closed Caption on my TV and Streaming, and when I see a TV in a public place or someone else's house, I thinking I'm getting axiety because I'm not getting everything. Am I the only one?

Probably not, but I feel I must ask if you've had your hearing checked. I don't think anyone would be able to hear dialogue in a crowded public space, but at someone else's house, you should be able to follow along if people are speaking clearly and plainly.

A very long-term project.... I mainly rewatch on my tablet while doing food prep on weekend (3 hours or so) and cooking dinner during the week and sometimes as background noise while teleworking. I listen to the podcasts on my 1.5+ hour each way commute.

I sometimes feel like a lack of heavy commuting is why I've missed the podcast revolution. I walk to the office and it takes precisely three pop songs to get here -- 15 minutes or so, depending on if I stop at CVS to buy Diet Pepsi.

Hank - What's good on TV these days? (Sorry, you were being so upbeat and positive. I need some snark)

I am really, really trying.

In addition to finding some shows too dark, I find that that graphics are too small to read. Recently I was watching TV at a friends' house who have a humongous TV and everything was well lit and the graphics were easy to read. I realized that producers probably think everyone now have big TVs and produce shows accordingly. Buy a bigger TV?

I want to ask what kind of graphics (like a cable news show?) but you bring up a valid reason to look into a bigger screen: Not because you're keeping up with the Jonses, but because you're missing the content.

Reminds me of the short-lived "Blind Justice" on ABC in 2005 about a police detective whose other heightened senses after he was blinded helped him to solve crimes. I liked that show and was sorry it was so quickly cancelled.

I knew there had to be one.

Probably the biggest one is Gilmore Guys (Gilmore Girls). There's also Go Bayside (Saved by the Bell), Go Pirates (Veronica Mars), and a couple of podcasts dedicated to Murder, She Wrote (Murder, We Spoke and Murder, She Podcast). I find I don't have time to listen to them all.

Points to this show for what looks to be running to a good and Satisfying Non-Sopranos Ending. The kid (now man) playing Brick is turning interesting.

I know most of the Chatters think it should be done. I laughed out loud several times last night - more than I did with the Middle or the Goldbergs or the aforementioned Blackish. Yes, its a lot of tv.

I watched the first season of the Sopranos a few years ago and I can honestly say that I can't even remember much about the episodes I viewed because it was so forgettable.I believe if the wire or breaking bad were released before the sopranos some television critics would not speak so glowingly about the series.Thusly I feel the Sopranos is highly overrated.

Sometimes the questions/comments seem to be beamed back from deep space, "Contact"-style, with the aliens doing a rough impression of a TV Chat.

Thusly I post them.

Hank, I'm older than you and probably most of the chatters. I remember how easy things were when there was one phone company and one television provider. Now there are so many choices (at so many different prices) that it's very confusing. We have network & basic cable, which I'm pretty happy with, although there are occasionally programs I'd like to see on premium or streaming. I would like to see Stephen King's and J.J. Abrams' Castle Rock, but I don't really want to subscribe to Hulu. Is there anything I can do?

I get that it's confusing and I sympathize. If I were not in the thick of it and subscribing to everything under the moon, I would probably be frustrated too. In a lot of ways, we are experiencing the ultimate in be-careful-what-you-wish-for: Viewers agitated for decades for a la carte choices (instead of cable bundles) and now they find themselves more or less replicating their cable bill when you add up high-speed internet and several streaming subscriptions.

If you can wait awhile, most premium/streaming shows make it to DVD (not sure about the Netflix shows), which you can either buy on the cheap (used, eBay) or see if your local library has them. Also, if you don't mind watching TV on an iPad or a computer, you can often buy individual episodes through iTunes. And, on that subject, a lot of people have Amazon Prime (to save on shipping) and forget that it includes a lot of access to a pretty big TV catalog. Again, it doesn't sound like you're into streaming those choices onto your TV set, but you could watch them on a computer or phone, tablet, etc.

So it's not impossible. Just remember that Hulu will first want to maximize the subscriber potential from "Castle Rock" before it releases the show through any other venue or format.

I tried to watch friday night lights but the constant reference to god I couldn't take. Any other shows like that, that I have probably missed? Would shows like the West Wing still hold up well now? I need a new show to binge that is good, now enter my brain and pick 3, please and thank you sir.

"This Is Us"

"The Good Fight"

"Feud: Bette and Joan"

I dont know how you do your job. *I'm* overwhelmed with the number of options I have for viewing entertainment. Do you also find it less likely that you'll give a series a fighting chance to find its footing because of that? I also find myself queuing up shows to watch all at once (like The Americans and The Handmaids Tale), which also means I dont have time to give new series a chance because I'm already going through my backlog . SO much noise, and honestly, there are so many decent/good shows that would be worth watching. When our kids are older, how much will they have to sort through? Not only will they have new options , but an overwhelming catalogue of amazing shows (I, for one, can't wait to rewatch Six Feet Under with my girls when they are old enough to appreciate it.) Do you think the current rate of production can continue, or are we due for some consolidation/trimming?

Well, don't worry too much for me. I have a wonderful job at a fantastic news operation, and yes, it can sometimes feel like I'm drowning, but I just take a deep breath and focus on one thing at a time.

Like you, I would be daunted if I had to watch something entirely from the beginning and through multiple seasons.

It might help to think of television (now and in the future) like books. Ever try to talk to a stranger about books? It's very likely that you and that person can both LOVE reading and yet hardly have read any of the same books/genres. Television is going to get more and more like that -- we'll lose a common feel for it and everyone will simply watch what appeals to them, guiltlessly.

On that note, don't be too disappointed if "Six Feet Under" fails to appeal to your daughters when the time comes. It might not speak to them.

As for the current rate of production, the keyword for this crisis is "peak TV," about which much has been said and written, but it basically foretells a future where the cost of production for so many shows cannot be sustained/paid for and we'll see some pulling back, merging of networks, etc.

I listen to the Slate recap of The Americans, which has some great behind-the-scenes stuff as well as interviews with the cast and directors, and the Masterpiece podcast is also fun and interesting.

Thank you! I just laughed really loud--may have scared my office mates. (sorry, Hank--no question)

I'm very hard of hearing (Meniere's disease), and captions are about the only way to watch television without keeping the entire neighborhood up. So I do get anxious when it's not on, but with good reason. But I have to say that the networks and main streaming services are pretty good about making sure their stuff is captioned, and I'm very glad they are.

I believe part of that is thanks to our tax dollars, no? Or used to be? There are so many ways that government is good.

Philip has evolved into so much more of an interesting character than Elizabeth that I have to keep reminding myself that, in real life, the KGB would have killed him off (in a car “accident”) rather than letting him retire. An overseas spy with a conscience and second thoughts is a risk that no spy agency would take.

Interesting point. You're probably right.

I was avid ER and West Wing fan in their day. Both went from normal lighting, to really, really dark settings. On ER, I often wondered how they found files at the admin desk because it was so dark. Same with WW: scenes in the Oval Office were often so poorly lit, I wondered if the show was running out of money or if they were trying to say something about federal budget cuts!

I still you might have had a bad tube!

I've found the app Fan TV to be helpful in finding where shows are broadcast. Obviously, the poster already knows that the show she wanted to watch is on Hulu, but you could add the show to your watch list and get a notification if its ever available on another platform. I also find the watch lists you can make in the app is a good way to keep track of all those shows you hear about and would be interested in watching but don't have the time or brain space for at the moment. (And for the record I'm not affiliated with the app. Just someone with poor organizational skills who likes living in the golden age of tv!)

Thanks for the suggestion, although my hunch is that the OP wasn't exactly the kind of chatter who is looking to be told that there's an app for that.

I think the first one was James Franciscus in LONGSTREET (actually a blind insurance adjustor). This was on the heels of IRONSIDE (wheelchair) and it seems like a few others.

Yes, but MY hypothetical show was about a blind CONSULTANT who helps the cop.

No. But it isn't the show's fault. It's almost impossible to watch it and not compare it to the absolute madness that's going on now.

Watch Sports Night for a sports theme/Aaron Sorkin hybrid. I wish that show had stayed on the air longer!

Never had enough viewers.

should us fans of that show just throw in the towel now? I seem to remember that there was some controversy about whether or not it would return.

Not controversy, just an overworked showrunner/creator, who is now busy with "Legion" (also on FX), but has said he intends to someday get back to "Fargo" and work on a season 4. That's not hopeless, but I wouldn't exactly be penciling it into your viewing calendar.

Saw him interviewed a few days ago on the PBS News Hour, and really, he needs to be a major TV news anchor. So smart, so poised, and although it shouldn't matter, so handsome!

Do you remember, though, that he had an MSNBC show? Wasn't so great.

For Philip the turning point wasn't that Elizabeth killed the teacups, but that she did it in front of their 7 year old. That is a cold-hearted move even for their line of work. Check the look on Philip's face when Stan drops that little detail on him. At that moment, he knew that Elizabeth's assurances that Kimmie would survive Bulgaria was one big lie.


I had that problem with my own TV and sound system, until I noticed that my teenager turned down the center channel to almost zero. I think I'm being gaslighted (gaslit?). Seriously, perhaps your host has the center channel turned down if they have surround.

I can only shudder at the horror you have described: Someone in your house is allowed to mess with the sound and picture settings? This must end.

Any scoop on this show? Saw an advertisement for it the other evening and it piqued my curiosity.

Are you a fan of that old documentary (1991 or so) called "Paris Is Burning?" How would feel, then, about an entire dramatic series about that scene and that period (late '80s) only told with 2018 cultural sensibilities? With, at no extra charge, some added Jay McInerney-era drama about straight people? That's what I know so far -- screeners haven't arrived yet.

ER definitely got darker! I had the exact same thoughts as the previous chatter. And I watched ER at home and in my dorm and later on DVD on different TVs. I think they thought it was heightening the drama but nah.

Well, wasn't Dr. Kerry What's Her Name (with the crutches) always griping about the hospital's budget being cut to bare bones?

It looks like they're holding off the Sophmore Season pretty well. One of the best things added is Season One baddie Flynn is now with the good guys and they have to convince him not to just kill everyone while they're out on their missions.

I love this show. It is what it is -- and compared to so much else, it's a throwback to great one-hour dramas.

I'm a fairly lapsed Catholic and FNL devotee. I thought the God references were appropriate, given the small town Texas setting and the show treated the religious characters respectfully.

Me too.

I think that Stan's toast at the Thanksgiving meal about other people wanting to hurt America had an effect on Philip, but am still trying to figure out if it repelled him or brought him over to our side.

Or a third option: It made him wet his pants a little. Listen, people, we are getting very close Stan breaking this case.

Paige, on the other hand, with barely any tell on her face, is like, oh Stan, take your Reagan rah-rah and shove it.


Is the actress being forced out? Or this this an amicable "Retirement"?

Judging from all the fawning coverage, including a lengthy CBS Sunday Morning piece that you can take or leave, she's just ready to move on and happy to retire and I think she wants to spend time with animals or something like that? In other words, everyone seems fine.

Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for "Young Sheldon" and his logical challenges to his mother's and minister's beliefs.

In dense shows (the Americans), and in a particular those shows with accents (Game of Thrones, The Queen), there are inevitably a few lines that are hard to make out. My wife and I will look at each other and realize we both can't make it out, so rewind the DVR (thank goodness for this technology), sometimes two or three times to no avail. And it is just the two of us with few distractions. We started watching these shows with CC and just get so much more out of them. Every nuance comes through.

And you're paying closer attention because you're reading.

The problem is Old-Enough-To-Appreciate age is usually mid-teenage, where EVERYTHING that mom and dad likes is LAME. Try it, but don't take the eye rolls personally.

That's what I was trying to say. Thank you.

You can also wait for Castle Rock to come out and sign up for your free month. And if you've already gotten that, just sign up for a month. The cheap plan is what, $7.99? For the less than a movie ticket, you can watch the whole season, plus some of their other shows. I didn't think I would be that interested in Hulu, but I actually find myself going there way more often to surf around to find something to watch.

This is a good idea, but I think OP is less than eager to get into the streaming game at all. Because if you don't have a Smart TV, it involves another piece of equipment, another mode on the remote, a password log-in, etc. All of that is easy peezy to young people, but I so relate to those viewers who just want to turn it on, sit down, and there it is.

I cannot wait for this. But if you wanna know my theory...Renee has been deployed to stop Stan from ever exposing P&E.

Oh my god, you too? I love this theory so much and have thought about it many times.

I liking how the Time Traveling Team has to ask about history when they come back from the Missions. "Was Kennedy Shot on 11/22/63?" "Did Led Zepplin exist". Favorite was "Who did you vote for in the Last Election?" and Agent Christopher responds "Hilary Clinton. What?! Was she supposed to win? Tell me!"

I know -- and sometimes it's just galling.

"Dallas? No, he was killed in Austin."


OP, use reverse psychology: Tell your girls they're not allowed to watch it :-)

If you are looking for a low-commitment but very funny TV podcast, check out Little House On The Podcast. I've seen maybe two episodes of Little House on the Prairie, but the recaps are hilarious (a lot of focus on before-they-were-famous guest stars, then-famous guest stars slumming, and how often Michael Landon found excuses to take his shirt off). The episodes are only 15 minutes, so I usually end up listening while doing dishes or similar.

This sounds great, actually.

Do you know when the new season debuts on ABC?

Boy, if ever there was a cue to sign off from the chat, this would be it! (This or a "Poirot" question, which we haven't gotten in a looong time.)

That's it for this week, gang. Thanks for a lovely hour. We'll do it again next week, Thursday, May 10, at noon.

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Hank Stuever
Hank Stuever, The Washington Post's TV critic since 2009, joined the paper in 1999 as a writer for the Style section, where he has covered an array of popular (and unpopular) culture across the nation. Stuever was born and raised in Oklahoma and previously worked at newspapers in Albuquerque and Austin. He lives in Washington, D.C.
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