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Feb 24, 2020

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Hi all, and welcome to Talk About Travel. This week we explored the waters off Tahiti, home to home to some of the healthiest and most biodiverse reefs in the world. Do you have an island destination to recommend? Tell us where and why below. Most compelling answer gets a copy of "New York in Stride: An Insider's Walking Guide," by Jessie Kanelos Weiner and Jacob Lehman. On to your questions!

Any recommendations for a reasonably priced hotel in Manhattan or Brooklyn that has a roof deck/bar? Can be in any neighborhood.

Look at citizenM New York Bowery Hotel or Hotel 50 Bowery. I'm not sure what you call reasonably priced, but rates at both start in the mid-200s. 

What a fraught subject! Defining vegetarianism or veganism is both a societal/cultural and personal issue. Even your article didn't touch on one of the levels of veganism - should the cooking dishes or serving plates ever touch meat?? Few general restaurants can meet that standard. Most don't get the differences in vegetarianism - using beef or chicken stock for soup. They claim soups are vegetarian, but admit they use chicken stock, a no-no for a "real" vegetarian. I have gotten a lot of blank stares when I ask exactly what is in the soup... I don't know what 'pescatarians' or 'flexitarians' are, but I don't eat any meat: fish (seafoods), fowl, bovine, swine, etc. Many people or restaurants don't consider fowl or seafood "meat", so claim they serve vegetarian meals. Certainly changing health interests plus the Internet have broadened access to meat-free meals out. Much depends on where you are, even in the US. I have had wonderful meat-free meals around the world, and have subsisted on plain rice in other places, which I would rather do than compromise. It certainly makes travelling a bit more interesting!

You're absolutely right. I find that people don't always have the same definition of "vegetarian" and "vegan" outside the country. I recently was served a "vegan" lunch in Portugal smothered in butter. I will have to write more about this topic again soon.

We are considering flying to Prague or Budapest which are both long flights. Are there any airlines flying to Central Europe that still have a decent size seat in coach that you can recommend?

On those routes, I like Lufthansa. The service is pretty good and the seat sizes (as I recall) were relatively humane in economy class. Fellow chatters, which Euro carriers do you like?

Here's my experience getting Global Entry. I applied in September 2019, did not get conditional approval until early December. When I went to schedule an interview, the earliest available was in June at Dulles. I had been reading a lot of travel blogs while waiting for the conditional approval, and one said once you have your interview scheduled to keep checking back (they recommended at least daily) because the offices occasionally release new openings. Within a week I was able to grab one in DC in January!

Thank you for sharing your experience.

I'd like to fly nonstop from the DC area to Savannah. I've been reading about basic economy on American and it sounds pretty terrible -- like Spirit. I would so much rather fly JetBlue or Southwest, but those aren't options. Any suggestions? 

You don't have to opt for basic economy. Buy a main cabin ticket. It costs more, but if you want to have an advance seat assignment and carry on a bag and not be the last to board, it's worth it. Also, United flies nonstop out of Dulles, but it also offers both basic economy and main cabin. American's service is out of DCA. 

Chris, I enjoyed your article about how some of us will waste some of our vacation time to save some money. I know that I will always do what I can to make a trip out west more affordable. When traveling out west, I have found that if I take the very first flight of the day in the morning, I can arrive by noon and still have half of my first day at the destination. And when I come back, I take a red eye to save a night's hotel cost. But inevitably, it is never fun arriving to the airport at 5 a.m. on day one, and then coming back at 5 a.m. on the last day's red eye and going straight to work. I have fun, but I am always exhausted. But for some of us, that is the only way we can afford the cost.

I do the same thing! It's a great way to maximize my time on the ground, even if it costs a little extra. Thank you for the comment.

Have you or any chatters tried the Timeshifter app to reduce jet lag symptoms?

We have not.

Chatters, any experience or insights you can share?

Hi Travel Team -- I wonder if you could suggest a strategy for estimating the cost of a big family trip? I'd like to start saving for a two-week trip to France for a family of four, but I'm not sure where to start in generating an accurate picture of the cost. We are not luxury travelers, but want to get the most for our money. Thanks!

Short answer: Your biggest expenses will be airfare and lodging. Meals and transportation are also significant expenses. But if you can find a good deal on a flight to Europe this summer and can pin down a vacation rental in your preferred city, you're more than halfway there. Chatters, any budgeting tips for our France-bound family? I love this question. I'm going to add this to our Navigator lineup. 

It truly depends when you're going. We found hotel rooms from major chains (Hilton brands) in the low $100's in the theater district for the end of March.

With a great rooftop bar?

Last week I wrote you, I considered heading to Cortina D'Appezzo to view World Cup Skiing in March. Tuesday I almost bought Premium economy on UA to Venice for mid-March departure. As of this morning there are now 219 cases AND 5 deaths in Italy. I'm not easily scared, but err... maybe I'll pass this year.

That makes two of us. And I'm headed to northern Italy next month, so I'll be sure to give you a firsthand report in one of our Monday chats. 

This isn't going to turn out well for the cruise industry, is it (as if norovirus weren't bad enough)?

We are hearing that bookings are way down during what is typically the cruise industry's busiest booking period, referred to as Wave Season. My guess is that the industry will bounce back. Not seeing any deep discounts related to reduced bookings, but that could change. 

I have two trips planned to Europe this spring and summer. One to France in June and the other to Italy in July. Am I overreacting to the coronvirus stuff to think it's possible one or both trip could be in jeopardy? I know airlines won't cancel the flights but could the countries close the attractions? Would Paris close the Eiffel Tower? Or Italy close the Vatican? Thank you in advance. I am sure you have a LOT of similar questions in the queue.

Anything is possible. I think it's too early to start canceling summer vacations, but I'd take some precautions, like buying travel insurance. If past experience is a guide, this will be a non-issue by summer. But then again, anything is possible.

I've been scouring around for an East Coast beach vacation in which we can get a suite or cabin for less than $200 a night and basically failing. The only reason we want a suite is that the kids go to bed at 7 pm and it's nice to stay up a little later. We are based in NY but happy to get into the car. Any suggestions?

The East Coast doesn't narrow it down very much. I'm guessing you want to go in summer, but does the temperature of the ocean matter? If so, that knocks out most places north of New York. You'll want to stay away from a beach that sits near a big population center. The Jersey Shore is very expensive because so many live within an easy drive. You'll also want to avoid beaches that are near a major airport. Have you looked at Myrtle Beach?  

Our kids (6 and 8) have spring break mid-March and I'd love to take them somewhere with a beach that's warmer than MN. Our only restriction is the youngest kid's passport expires in May so any country that requires a longer outdate won't work. I was thinking Cancun or Cozumel but I'm concerned those aren't kid-friendly destinations over spring break. Also, if anyone knows any good sites for last-minute deals, that would be great!

Puerto Rico could be a good choice. Or you could stay in the United States and head to Sanibel Island in Florida. As for last-minute deals, you may want to price out a vacation through a tour operator, such as Apple Vacations or Vacation Express

Friends and I were thinking about traveling to a beautiful tropical locale and learning how to scuba there. We have not decided on a destination, but Belize is a top option. Any recommendations on how to sort through the providers to find safe, good instructors?

Ambergris Caye in Belize may be a good choice. The area offers a long list of dive resorts. I'd look for certified PADI instructors. You may also want to consider the island of Bonaire. Any chatters have specific recommendations? 

The entire islands of Corvo, Flores and Graciosa in the Azores are UNESCO Biosphere Reserves. So are the fajãs along the coast of São Jorge island. Scuba diving is a major tourist attraction.  

When I was a teenager my parents took my sister, German cousin and me to Moose Factory, Canada, a tiny island off the town of Moosenee on the James Bay. For a bunch of pre-teens, the Cree Cultural Center paled in comparison to seeing the black bears at the local dump at dusk. The other memory that has stayed with me to this day are all the little kids trying to convince us to ride back to the mainland in their father's boats. It was hard to choose!

Saba! It's only 5 square miles but almost 3,000 feet high in the middle - the top of the inactive volcano is the highest point in the kingdom of Netherlands. While there are no beaches, the diving is amazing because of hot vents. There are only four villages/towns, but you can eat highend or lowbrow or anything in between. The island has many decently maintained hiking trails (the one to the top of "Mt. Scenery" takes you through several botanical zone changes, including cloud forest. There is nice art/craft availability, including a woman who works with glass who has classes for people who wish to make beads. That was a great afternoon. It's not a place for hopping nightlife, but there is some to be found. English is one of the two official languages, US $s are the currency, and it's only a 15-minute flight from St Martin. And the flight to Saba comes with bragging rights - it's the shortest commercial airstrip in the world, with steep cliff dropoffs on both ends and an approach much closer to a mountainside than you're probably used to. But nobody's gone over the edge in all 50 years of the airstrip's existence, so it's not as dangerous as it sounds. If you REALLY don't want to experience that, there's also ferry service. It is an absolutely wonderful place to unwind.

I am heading to Cozumel for several days and wondering if I should rent a car. I like the freedom of movement, etc., but the last time I rented a car in Mexico I got pulled over for speeding while doing 25 MPH and it was a total shakedown. I was literally on my way back to the airport and low on cash so I told the cop he would have to take me to an ATM if he wanted to rob me and he backed off. I really don't want that kind of hassle again. Thoughts on a car? Is Cozumel known for similar shakedowns?

You may be able to use mass transit and save a little money. I've heard the buses are nice by Mexican standards and once you're in the touristy areas, you can walk everywhere.

I want to go to North Dakota but see next to nothing about what to see or where to stay. Doesn’t seem to have many interesting things to do. Any recommendations?

You need to check out the Web site of the North Dakota tourism office, which offers info on attractions and lodging. You can find a list of the state's 30 top attractions, for example. Among them: the Theodore Roosevelt National Park (read our feature about it here), the world's largest buffalo and the Lewis & Clark Interpretive Center and Fort Mandan. For suggestions on Fargo, check out our You're Going Where? feature on the city. You can also participate in a fossil dig. For lodging, options include an enchanted castle in Regent, a working farm that caters to birders in Carrington and a rustic lodge on a ridge of the Coteau des Prairies.

I was checking fares for a September flight from Philadelphia to Bangor, Me., and saw an American Airlines flight non-stop at least three times a day. Selected a departure and when I looked at the return information, no matter what day I selected it said that only two tickets remained, just what I was looking for. Granted it is a fifty seat aircraft but it just seemed a little suspicious to me. What say you?

I agree, that looks suspicious. Airlines sometimes don't release all the seats on a plane, anticipating that they'll get some last-minute bookings. I don't know if they're fibbing, but I'm pretty sure there are more than two empty seats on those flights.

Hi, I'm sure you'll have this question in spades today. I have a complicated open jaw ticket in Mid-March, making part of the trip with college kid on spring break and (me) going on to Italy for business (meetings in Pisa/Livorno, across to Trieste with a departure from Venice. The tickets were just purchased last week. We took the airline's trip insurance (It won't cover coronavirus right?), but I'm thinking about getting "cancel for any reason" or a "business cancellation" type insurance. Itinerary for the student: IAD to CDG then Heathrow to IAD. (We'll lose out on our purchased Eurostar tickets, too) Parent/business: IAD to CDG and Venice-Frankfurt-Dulles on one booking. Separate ticket on BA: Heathrow to Pisa. I'm planning to take trains across to meetings in Trieste before departure from Venice. (Trade show in Trieste). Any advice on insurance?

You have a limited time to get travel insurance. I don't know how long it's been since you booked your trip, but it already may be too late. If you can afford cancel for any reason, that's really the best because you don't have to come up with a covered reason.

My son has been studying and working in Germany for nearly three years. He has health care in Germany through his work apprenticeship program there. It has been difficult to find a two week policy or any other short term health insurance to cover his once a year visit home. He is no longer covered under my plan. He may return to the United States for a few weeks or a month this summer. What insurance companies offer a very short term policy for this type of situation, should any medical emergency arise?

If he has a German work visa, he may be able to enquire about insurance options in Germany. There may be an equivalent annual travel insurance policy that would cover him while he's with you.

A few weeks ago, someone wrote in with concerns about Joburg. I read the transcript later, but thought I would chime in with these thoughts: When we went to Johannesburg a few years ago, we were advised not to wear expensive jewelry and to take cabs when going out from the hotel. Use your street smarts, don't be flashy. I think that the ability to walk around neighborhoods is very area-specific, so consult with your tour operator or hotel before setting out to explore. Since this is your 6th continent, you sound like experienced travelers and will be fine. Congrats on going to southern Africa! It's one place we really wish we went sooner in our lives.  (BTW, we also went to Botswana, and found it very friendly and easy to get around.)

Thanks for your thoughts. 

The seat in itself is NOT terrible. You will sit in the same size seat as any other passenger in the economy section who may have paid a lot more then you. Basic Economy is cheap because it excludes things like advance seat selection and baggage allowance etc. If those things are important to you then don't buy a Business Economy ticket. But to repeat the physical seat is the same as the others in the cabin.

I assumed the chatter realized that it's not a separate cabin, but good point. 

For the day to day expenses, keep in mind that virtually no attractions will be free, which is a change for people who live here in the DC area and are used to the Smithsonian museums being free of charge to enter. So, you'll want to look at which attractions you would want to see, times 4. There is also food and drink to consider. Depending on whether any of the adults in the group drink alcohol, your costs could get pretty high, although at least there isn't really tipping so you can check out some menus online to get a general cost of food at restaurants in your destination (I know the guidebooks typically suggest modest tips, but all of the places in France seem to use those table side contraptions for payment, and there is no place to add a tip - I guess you could leave cash, but I didn't see anyone else doing it, so I didn't do it, either). And, if you are souvenir people, figure that into the cost, as well.

Thank you.

Can you all point me in the direction of which Delaware/MD beaches are the most like Duck and Corolla (ie chill, nice, and more laidback than Ocean City etc) in the OBX? We're working on a family vacation with people coming from Maine at the northernmost point and DC at the southernmost point with others in the middle. NJ is out because we have a thing about it leaving those two states.

Bethany Beach in Delaware would be closest. 

Goodness sakes - - do your classroom and pool time where you live, and do the 'checkout' or 'training' dives at your chosen location. The class part and pool part take several days, and you probably don't want to spend all that time inside in Bonaire, Belize, etc. If you want the certification to be valid anywhere else, find a PADI location, with instructors who can do the final certification required. Plan to take your own mask and fins at least.

Thanks for the advice. 

I got certified in Bonaire in the 1990s, and took my son there in 2016 so he could do the same. Best approach is to find a destination with good beginner dive conditions. This could include Bonaire and Belize, but also Grand Cayman, Curacao and I would also look at Key Largo.

Thanks much!

Check with PADI for a list of certified sites. Check PADIs website, or call. Sometimes web sites don't get updated.

Yes, PADI (Professional Association of Diving Instructors) is a good resource. 

Why not take a course AT HOME -- widely available and cheap -- so you can spend more time enjoying your trip? You might also discover that you really don't like SCUBAing -- and I say that as someone who took a beginner course and decided it wasn't for me.

Another vote for doing certification at home. I tried SNUBA once, and knew immediately that my reptilian brain could never allow me to dive. 

Our daughters are doing their undergrad studies in Paris (on scholarships), which has given us quite a bit of experience over the past few years in planning and budgeting trips from the DC area to France for them and for family visits. For airfare, Icelandair can save you some money - they have routes from Dulles to Paris-CDG with a stopover in Keflavik. The total flight times even with the stopovers are not too bad and Icelandair has been a good experience when we've used them. Aer Lingus (stopover in Dublin) also has some good fares from time to time for DC-Paris. For lodging, I agree that a rental apartment through Airbnb or similar service is the best way to go, especially for more than 2 people, and this also gives you a chance to save money on meals since you would be able to make at least some of them yourself.

This is great advice. Thank you.

I second what Chris said: airfare and lodging are going to be your biggest outlays. Other things to consider: Museum entry fees, local transportation (metro, taxis, etc.), and check in with Tom Sietsima's work for restaurant recs. What's great about travel today is that a lot of info is available online - look at prices, and factor in the USD to EUR exchange rate. Depending on where you dine, a family of four can be anywhere from 35 euro for breakfast (at a Pret) to 80-100 for dinner; check out some restaurant sites, look at the visitor info for museums, and factor in a Michelle Singeltary "life happens" cushion for emergencies or other upcharges.

I appreciate the advice. I may not even have to write this column. You're going to write it for me!

I wrote in a few weeks ago about a flight that was delayed due to crew illness, and whether I had a prayer of getting my money back for a change fee and fare difference. I believe it was Chris who encouraged me to apply for a refund online rather than call. And it worked! Thank you, and thank you to American Airlines for making it painless. I know you all are busy with other stuff, and really appreciate the time you take to answer our questions!

Oh, that's great. I'm so glad my advice worked. Thanks for letting me know.

Cabs are easy and well regulated on Cozumel (especially compared to the crooks in Philly!), with fares to most popular tourist spots posted in dollars on a board near the cab line. You can also hire a cab/driver by the hour if you want to tour the island. easier and more relaxing than renting a car.

Thanks for the tip! Anyone else have Cozumel tips?

You can have a reasonable price OR you can have one with roof top bar but it's unlikely that you'll get the two together Find a hotel you like and then visit one with a bar. You can use the savings to buy the drinks.

Yes, you do usually pay more for hotel with a rooftop bar, no matter what city. But it is nice to toddle up to the rooftop and sign for your drinks. 

Flying to Europe this summer with family and looking at flights on Google flights. Their quoted price for IAD to Paris includes all fees, ex luggage. When I click on the TAP link, it's not clear if the Google economy seating is their discount fare- which has baggage fees for checked bags. I don't want to jump on a "cheap" fare only to be hit with bag fee.

I can't tell for sure without seeing the reservation. But when I click on a random flight on TAP (found on Google flights), I see the different categories and what is included. For example, Discount does not include checked baggage but Basic does. If you have any questions, call TAP and ask about that particular flight number and fare.

We are a family of four, kids are 21 and 23. We realize family vacations are soon to be very different once their are significant others, so we really value this time. We have a 3 week window, last of July and first 2 weeks of August and we want to do a one week rest and relax beach week on the east coast, not NC. Suggestions please! We want some night life and good restaurants, but sun and good sand too. Thanks.

Do you like swimming in the ocean? If so, unless you like cold water, the New England states are out. Florida will be hot, as will the beaches near Charleston, SC. Hilton Head is lovely, but again, will be warm. The Delaware beaches, especially Rehoboth, and Ocean City, Md., have good restaurants and night life, but that area is popular and crowded. 

Bonaire and the Cayman Islands are good bets because they have a number of shore diving options. Boats not always necessary.


Does not imply there are only 2 SEATS remaining! Merely that--at that moment in time--there are 2 fares left at the price quoted.

Thank you for clarifying.

Usually an airline booking system will add 'at this price' when this is the case as its possible one fare bucket is about to sell out but the next one (at higher price) still has tickets available

Good point.

Theodore Roosevelt National Park is definitely worth seeing! Medora is the adorable town just outside the park where you can stay at the Rough Riders hotel, take in the totally cheesy Medora Musical (in the summer) and eat steak cooked in a vat of hot oil on a pitch fork. Americana at its best.

That sounds like a great itinerary. Keep your North Dakota tips coming please, chatters!

Tourist ideas - besides Flagler, Breakers, Worth Ave? Visiting in March

If you like bargain hunting for high-end labels, definitely check out the consignment and vintage shops around West Palm and Palm Beach. I wrote about second-hand shopping a few years ago, though I am not sure all of the stores are still open. I did pop into Dina C's during a recent visit and scooped up a gorgeous dress from Italy. For wildlife in the area, check out at Manatee Lagoon in West Palm, Gumbo Limbo Nature Center in Boca Raton and the Loggerhead Marinelife Center in Juno Beach. At the sea turtle center, you can visit the patients and even attend a release event. I would also recommend renting a bike and cycling along the Lake Trail. You'll get some amazing mansion views!

My mom is coming for a visit and suggested a weekend somewhere in the Blue Ridge mountains. Before I lose myself down a google rabbit hole, any suggestions for a great rental for the 2 of us for a weekend? I'd say no more than half a day's drive from DC. Good views a must. Thanks!

You might check out the Getaway cabins in Shenandoah. They are darling retreats in the woods.

Chatters, any advice for Blue Ridge Mountains?

A delightful typo, much appreciated ;-).

No, not a typo. There is really something called SNUBA. I tried it and hated it -- they could not convince me that I could breathe underwater. But the rest of my family are apparently far more evolved because they enj0yed it. 

"Puerto Rico could be a good choice. Or you could stay in the United States and head to Sanibel Island in Florida. " Puerto Rico is part of the United States, so it might be that you are saying, they could stay in the mainland US?

Yes, that's what I meant -- mainland U.S.!

Hi all, I have some unexpected free time in early March and would like to get away. Thinking warm weather - we're on the east coast so thinking Florida or a Caribbean island? Something fairly quiet, if possible. Where would you all go for a quick 2-3 day last minute trip? Alternatively, what apps/sites do you recommend to look for finding last minute/cheap airfare and/or vacation packages? Thanks!

You'll want to choose a spot that offers nonstop flights from your chosen airport on the dates you want to fly. Puerto Rico or the Bahamas could work. I like the Hopper app, but perhaps Chris can opine on others. 

I'd probably head to Orlando or one of the Florida west coast cities like Sarasota or Tampa. I just did a story on the best airfare apps that you might find helpful.

For the chatter asking about budgeting -- is this a situation where working with a travel agent could help? Or would that just add to the cost?

Yes, absolutely. A good agent might really help.

I think it is important to price out excursions and activities in advance. also any rental cars. I have found when traveling a good way to save money is to stay in a place where you can prepare your own breakfasts and store snacks for the day.

Thank you.

Lonely Planet always has guides on price per day per person for different locations, stratified by budget, mid-range, and high end, and then itemized


I live and work in Germany and am covered by German healthcare. For travel I have a Reisekrankenversicherung (travel health insurance). Policies are usually available through your regular insurer and through independent brokers. Fortunately, I've never had to use it and suspect that it would be a lot of paper work and hassle if I ever actually needed it. I'm also not sure how much it would cover in the case of a significant health problem in the US - given the differences in costs.

Danke. That's good to know.

Will be working for about a week in Maputo with a total of two days off but not consecutive. Would like for one of those two days to visit the country side or perhaps Kruger National Park but based on what I have seen, as a solo traveler, I will have to pay a lot as there is a minimum requirement of two in most trips (also Im not interested in a private tour). Any ideas of companies where I can join a group tour? Sites that I shouldn't miss? Im open to any other activities besides safaris except for water sports. Any ideas?

Check out the options listed by Viator

My daughter and I are taking a quick trip to Bozeman this weekend so she can visit Montana State. We'll have a full day to explore the area, is there anything you recommend we should see that's not too far? We don't want to spend the day skiing and we don't want to go all the way to Yellowstone.

Some suggestions: soak in hot springs, visit the ghost town of Virginia City, poke around the quaint town of Livingston, or explore the Missouri Headwaters and Lewis and Clark state parks.

I wouldn't rule out all of NE. Cape Cod and Rhode Island beaches are pretty warm and fine for swimming. Good food and night life. Newport RI, Block Island, worth checking out.

Definitely my prejudice. I love swimming in the ocean, but the water has to be warm. But yes, good point. 

Shenandoah National Park has accomodations. Check their website. Not cabins, but the area is lovely.

Good idea, thanks!

We liked Peaks of Otter, we went camping, but I believe there were more options as well.

Thanks for the suggestion!

Try Allegiant out of BWI. Small airline, but direct flights to a handful of cities, Savannah being one.


My college daughter is going to Florence, Italy for spring break. Can you recommend a book to buy for her to see the sights? Walking, public transportation, restaurants to visit? Thanks.

We like the Lonely Planet series; check out their guide to Florence and Tuscany

Check out Norris Hot Springs - they have great food on site and live music and it's so cool to be soaking in the hot water surrounded by mountain views!

Great suggestion, thanks!

Plan in advance to find out the prices of things such as transit passes. Many cities offer a tourist pass that gves 'feee' entry to museums and attractions but at a discount over the pay to enter on the day price. They also offer child rates. Think about what you want to see and then hit the web and find out costs and do the maths. Then you can start to put money aside now rather than it being a sudden shock. And have the odd picnic with items bought from super markets etc instead of pre parepared meals. It's possble to eat well without breaking the bank

Lots of good advice for our France-bound traveler -- thanks!

From North to South - Ogunquit, ME; Rehobeth etc; Hilton Head; beaches off Savannah, GA (can't remember the islands); Sanibel Island, Ft. Lauderdale (may be crazy), Key West....or, dare I suggest, a cruise might be fun. Multiple opportunities for beaches, lots of things to do for all interests and activity levels, plenty of nightlife.

Appreciate the suggestions, thanks!

Martha's Vineyard!! More fun than Nantucket, way more to do and generally nicer. Also - tons of bike trails, fun farms (Morning Glory Farm) the Black Dog Tavern and the fascinating histories of sign language and the African American elite who summered there.

And a final island recommendation!

That's a wrap, everyone -- thanks for joining us today! Moose Factory visitor, drop us a line at to claim your prize. And tune in again next week for more Talk About Travel. 

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