If this were Madden, what would you do to fix the Eagles' season?
As a Giants fan, I am CONSTANTLY bombarded by friends that say even though Ei has a ring, he does not deserve credit for the team's Super Bowl win. What are your thoughts?
Well my thoughts on that is it's a legitimate argument. I mean the most heroic catch in Superbowl history made by David Tyree on his helmet, would never be "The most heroic catch" had Eli threw a decent pass. And why doesn't Plax get credit for actually scoring the go-ahead TD after the catch he made?!?! I don't think Eli is the worst QB in our division (that would be Romo with Rex being a close second), but I don't think he's an "Elite QB" like analysts and NY Midget loyalists would like one to believe.
He doesn't deserve NO credit. He, along with the 52 other guys on the team, went on a great run throughout that postseason, and Eli certainly didn't "mess it up." As Roger already noted, it took the most ridiculous catch of all time to make it happen. Credit Eli for escaping the sack on that play, but he basically just threw that ball up for grabs and got lucky. People also forget that Eli made a horrible pass on that drive in which Asante Samuel could have iced the game with a pick that went right through his hands. But I think we all know the defense won that game for the G Men. If you were a Pats fan before that game, and someone said "The Giants are only going to score 17 points," they would have booked a hotel room for the parade instantly.
Eli's a good QB. Not great. Good. Right around #10 in the NFL, but not even remotely close to the big boys (Rodgers, Brees, Brady and big bro). Giants use the "ring" argument to say he's better than clearly more talented QBs. Ask Giants fans if they think Eli Manning is better than Phillip Rivers, and more than half will say yes, which is ludicrous.
Give the guy credit for leading the team to a SB victory, in which they were a supreme underdog- simple and plain. True, a circus catch helped lead them to the victory, but Eli- haters tend to forget that there was also the three impressive road playoff victories on that Superbowl run. So I give the guy credit. QB's get a disproportionate share of the credit and blame as a general rule. But the REAL joke is that he was Superbowl MVP. That was a crock of league sponsored Manning boys' hype.
Is any of these teams going to win 10 games? They all look like crap so far.
See above, but the Skins can get to 10 because of their Easy-peasy schedule and what's turning out to be a weak division. I do think that both the 'Boys and Giants are still wildcards- Which of those two teams will show up on which week? Cowboys suffer from a tougher schedule than most of the teams. It gets easier a *little* easier from here for the Eagles (except they lost to the Giants at home-so they play them on the road, next) but it might be too late anyway.
If the Skins beat the Eagles this week, 10 is possible for them. If not, I think we may be looking at a craptastic "NFC West style" 9-7 or 8-8 team winning the division.
Right @ Jimmy. This weeks game is big for both the Eagles and Skins, but also the division. The Eagles lose it's probably the most underachieving team in history and the Skins will probably get to 10 given that cake-schedule we have (#1 easiest I believe). Eagles win and a Cowboy's loss and another Giants loss, and they're right back in the hunt being a half game behind. Whacky is what I'm starting to call this division and this season so far.
An Early Lead post sums up the comments on the Redskins and the NFC East well. Included is this Tony Dungy quote:
They look better and better as you’re watching the favorites, Philadelphia and the Giants, just turn the ball over and give up big plays on defense.
And a lot more negative stuff on the Eagles and Giants. Reactions?
Yep, Dungy is right. You turn the ball over, you lose. The Eagles are -10 in tornover differential. They're 1-4. The top 5 teams in the league in turnover differential are the Niners, Lions, Bills, Packers, and Ravens. Their combined records are 20-3.
Hate to sound like a broken record, but the deficit of good teams in the NFC East may add extra shine to the Skins this year. With all respect due to Jimmy and his great blog, this division is hardly a Beast this year. Obviously, the 'Boys have many a flaw that can't be cured mid-season (limited back -ups and a bi-polar choking QB) the Eagles have dug themselves a hole and the Giants, well they suffer from the same problem as Dallas, just of a slightly different variety.
Listen to Dungy...he's the only commentator on NBC, Fox or ABC that is actually giving the Redskins any props. Everyone else still snickers after saying "The redskins are still leading the NFC East" as if they are waiting for us to implode (and we really can't fault them for it...2 decades and only 2 playoff wins will get you that). WIth that said, each win will earn respect little by little and that's all we can ask for. This year was supposed to be a rebuilding season for us with a 8-8 record being best case scenario. Eagles were handed the Lombardi trophy in August and we all know the Cowbums are "America's" team, so no one is going to give Washington any props until they slowly but surely earn them. Praise to Dungy for being bold enough to admit out of the whole whacky NFC East, Redskins are making the least mistakes and that is whats keeping us at the head of the pack.
How does your NFC East outlook change if the Eagles destroy the Redskins on Sunday?
Well, I guess it depends on what the Giants and Cowboys do next week, but just from a "Skins/Eagles" perspective, even if the Eagles lay a spankdown on the Skins next week, they'll still be 1.5 games behind them.
Nope. Any Given Sunday, right? I'll only change my opinion on any of these teams when one of teams puts on a serious impressive run
Well that depends on what happens to the Giant's (closest team to the Redskins in the division) in their game against Buffalo. If we lose and they lose, Redskins are still ahead of the pack so this weekend's games are crucial all the way around. I seriously doubt the Eagles destroy the Redskins like last year in Washington tho. They may get a W, but our defense is not having that 35 points in 2 quarters bull this year.
Do you believe the Eagles will bounce back and get a wild-card spot?
I'll answer that in two parts:
Do I think the Eagles will bounce back? Hmmm... "Bounce back." I don't know if they'll "bounce back," but I do think they'll "improve." Kinda hard not to improve on the general awfulness they've put on display so far. "Bounce back" would indicate that this team was at one time good this season, which isn't the case.
Do I think they'll get a wild card? No, I don't. Their route to the playoffs (unlikely as it is at 1-4), should it occur, would be via the NFC East.
Well, as a long time fan (40+ yrs.) I'll say that it comes down to how Rex Grossman performs and overall team health if Grossman can stay away from the game-changing turnover then the Skins have a chance.The one thing that worries me is the overall team depth; the game this Sunday will go a long way in building team confidence the Eagles are desperate after Sunday's loss to the Bills so they might look at Sunday's game as their season and the Skins will get their best shot.
I just said the same thing. Eagles are desperate...I mean REALLY desperate. If they lose this week and Andy Reid gets up there looking like Peter Griffin from Family Guy talking that "it starts with me" talk he's been saying since they've been choking with Donovan at QB, he may be fired during their bye week. Redskins just need to play that smash-mouth offense and let Torrain punish the Eagles front all first half and wear them down. Defense needs to smell blood like the Bills did early and take every advantage they can. TURNOVERS ARE KEY in this game. If Vick gives us half the turnovers he gave the Bills, we should be A-OK.
I can't see how the Eagles win. They were desperate yesterday...this was the game to get them on a run. Same problems: Vick under pressure, front 7 cream puffs and bizarre play calling from Andy Reid. Unless they can force some serious TOs against Rex or find a way of controlling the hounds that is the Skins' D, they're toast. Washington will be rested, confident, at home and licking their chops.
@Chris - I can see how the Eagles can win - They're far more talented than the Redskins. That hasn't meant squadoosh so far this season, obviously, as the Skins have simply played better football.
You know that episode of the Simpsons, where the Japanese Yakuza is fighting the Italian mob outside the Simpsons' house? Marge urges Homer to go inside so he doesn't get hurt, but Homer is fixated on the one member of the Yakuza that is just standing there calmly with his arms folded. Homer says something to the effect of, "That guy hasn't done anything, but when he does it's going to be awesome and I don't want to miss it." That's kind of how I feel about the Eagles right now. Or maybe I'm kidding myself.
On twitter, @ridgely repsonds to the "Are the Redskins the favorites?" question:
not if they don't sweep giants or philly, split the rest.
They can sweep Philly- and probably will. Having said that, all they have to do is go 10-6. They can still lose to the Pats, Jets, Giants, SF or Buff and split with Philly and win the division.
Yeah...what Chris said... *checking my temperature* "Did I just agree with Mr. Cowboy?!?!?!" Ugghhh, Redskins and Cowboys should NEVER have the same Bye Week again....it pains me that I can't hate on Dallas this week.
Just face it Jenkins, The Boyz really suck. They blame their performance against the Skins (even though they won) on the Skins trying to confuse the Boyz snap count. What became of that? Nuthin'. Again they just suck like the rest of the other teams in the NFC East.
With the exception of the Eagles (who actually do suck right now) how does a 3-1, a 3-2 and a 2-2 team "suck"?!?!?! With all three teams playing at least 1 division game already and winning one?!?! Your HATE #Sucks! NEXT!
@Roger - I would contend that the Giants are really 2-3.
A'ight, dear reader, sounds like you've got a lot of anger boiling up.lol. Still a little bitter over the 18-16 outcome a few weeks back?
@Jimmy Exactly! I'm still pissed refs handed last weeks game to the NY Midgets. Victor Cruz should be responsible for TWO Midget losses....gotta love how Karma comes right back atcha a week later though..... *Salsa dancing on my desk*
Jimmy?? What's up with your boys? So funny that pre-season talk was all about y'all being decent this year. Blah, blah, blah...you all looked so good on paper...too bad that's just on paper. While my beloved Skins were restin this wknd, I got to sit back and watch y'all lose yet again. And don't think any relief is comin for your beloved Eagles!
It was indeed, a perfect weekend for Skins and Boys fans. It was like counting free cash money on your couch and not having to work for it. Flame outs all around. My poor cousin, another long suffer Iggles fan, wouldn't even return texts. And all I got after each preseason game and Week One was E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles! Now? Ra-di-o silence. lol.
You're mean :(
I've been listening to Philly sports radio on my iPhone. The callers are going berserk, it's absolutely hilarious. At any rate, some are calling for Andy's job. Do you guys think this is knee-jerk reaction, or do they have a legitimate gripe? And Roger, "trash talk" is the perfect name for this chat. Every Monday we get to roll these sorry teams out to the curb for collection. Straight garbage! Braves on the warpath, rest of the division on the wrong path. Fight for old DC!
Glad you cleaned up the original line on that "Fight for old DC" bit. lol.
Thanks a lot. Glad you're enjoying our Monday roasting of these inferior teams (said with swag). Also, I called Andy Reid's firing in the first installment of Trash Talk. I predicted this demise for the Eagles back in preseason. #Nastradamus