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November 21, 2012

12:02
P.M.

The Reliable Source Live

Total Responses: 57

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Washington Post columnist Amy Argetsinger was online Wednesday, November 21, at noon ET to discuss your favorite gossip, celebrity sightings and their recent columns.

Past Reliable Source chats
Q.

Amy Argetsinger :

Good morning everyone, and welcome to the Reliable Source web chat.

 

Glad you could join us here before you begin your holiday rituals -- which we're sure begin with consulting our always helpful Thanksgiving Talking Points. Don't go to the dinner table without them.

 

What else? Well, we skipped the wrong gala — the one where Petraeus and Broadwell publicly hobnobbed.

 

Miss D.C. Allyn Rose has made the brave decision to get a preventive double mastectomy after the Miss America pageant.

 

Michael Morse and his bride Jessica Etably kicked off the very busy Nats wedding season.

In other news: Sandra Fluke meets Anita Hill. . . RNC and DNC spox shave heads for charity. . . The porn star who became a prosecutor. . . Hey, we know that bookstore on SNL!. . .  Hey, Nixonites, dinner at Rummy’s house!. . .  Viola Davis speaks up for domestics. . .  The last of the grande dames: Susan Mary Alsop. . . . And finally, Kid Rock breaks his silence on his Waffle House brawl.

 

Looking forward to your questions.

Q.

Petraeus Scandal

Enough with Petraeus, Broadwell, Kelley and her sister. There was no security breach, no connection to Benghazi, nothing of any interest other than some top military brass behaving like a lot of other men and some women using everything they have to climb the social or professional ladder. Nothing new here. It's over. Move on.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

You make a fair point -- similar to what Dana Milbank had to say today.  Shall we put it to a vote, then? Shall we move on?

– November 21, 2012 12:03 PM
Q.

Happy Thanksgiving!

This day-before-Thanksgiving-chat has become a tradition for me. Thanks to you ladies for doing it every year and for everything else you do. Hope you have a great holiday.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Awww. That's so sweet. Anyone in your office today? The Wednesday before Thanksgiving has become a de facto holiday, too -- Union Station was mobbed last night.  

– November 21, 2012 12:03 PM
Q.

Paula Broadwell

Is she still in the city? Spending Thanksgiving here? I still haven't seen her!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

No, I believe she's gone back to Charlotte.

– November 21, 2012 12:04 PM
Q.

Fried onions in a can?

Helpful and convenient for a busy day in the kitchen, or a gourmand desecration?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Can't they be both? Pass them over if you've got some on you, btw.

– November 21, 2012 12:04 PM
Q.

Stuffing

With or without raisins? Oysters?
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Personally, I like sausage and a hint of dried fruit. But the fastest way to start a debate is asking what is a proper Thanksgiving menu.

– November 21, 2012 12:05 PM
Q.

Clinton/Bush

When Hillary Clinton steps down as Secretary of State, it will be the first time since 1981 that neither a Bush nor a Clinton has been in the administration. 1981! I was a freshman in high school in 1981. That's when Jessie's Girl and Bette Davis Eyes and Celebration were popular. WKRP was still on the air. That was a long gol-durned time ago.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

And now that you mention it -- 1981 was a pretty good year. Happy days are here again? It took me years to recognize what a good song "Bette Davis Eyes" is. You just take that stuff for granted as a kid.

– November 21, 2012 12:07 PM
Q.

The competition

How were the Gingerbread Olympics? Did Rox wow 'em?
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Went well -- and more to the point, I had a blast. The contest is the National Gingerbread House Competition 9but they don't have to be houses); my piece was named one of the Top Ten and I received a big ol' ribbon. Will try something I've never done: Attach a photo to a chat answer. let me know if it worked.

– November 21, 2012 12:11 PM
Q.

who's in your office

There are only four of us here today. And the construction people turned off the water so I get the feeling maybe they didn't want us. But some of us have to save up vacation days for the Christmas holdiays?
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

If one is inclined to work, it's a good day to be productive. Not too many phone calls!

– November 21, 2012 12:12 PM
Q.

Kid Rock

Read the New Yorker profile. When I finished I wondered just why they bothered, except that he was a "celebrity" backer of Mitt Romney and they were few and far between. Still seemed like a very odd editorial choice for them.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Actually, I disagree. Kid's involvement in the Romney campaign gave them a timely peg to hang the story on, but the New Yorker often does profiles of interesting artistic figures, and I think the story made the case for why his career is, well, interesting, even beyond his politics, the whole hip-hop/rock/country melding and progression.

 

And, of course, deep inside the story, this little gem, which no one called to my attention (not even the New Yorker itself, which issues a weekly press release with every new issue that is roughly the length of the Book of Genesis, and yes, I read it) until the magazine had been sitting on my bedside for a full week.  It was the same way last year when they had an amazing profile of Rita Jenrette and did nothing to promote the world-shattering revelation midway through that she says she never had sex on the Capitol steps.

– November 21, 2012 12:12 PM
Q.

Silver Linings Playbook

Have you see it? Even if Bradley Cooper plays an off-kilter guy, he's still hot.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Crazy can be hot -- and makes affairs take strange turns.

– November 21, 2012 12:13 PM
Q.

Michael Morse Wedding

That link doesn't take me to the story.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

You're right, bad link. I'll correct, but meanwhile here it is:

Michael Morse marries Jessica Etably, first couple in busy Washington Nationals wedding season

– November 21, 2012 12:14 PM
Q.

Reliable Source - where are they now?

Would you consider doing a where-are-they-now item about all of the reporters (the good, the bad, and the ugly) who led the Reliable Source over the years? We would like to know what happened (in the best gossipy sense, of course) to these folks. Thanks.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

That's actually an easy one:

The first Reliable Source author, Lois Romano, is writing about politics for Politico. Ann Gerhart is covering the second-term transition here at the Post; Ann Groer is doing freelance writing and working on a book. Lloyd Grove is writing up in New York; Rich Leiby is overseas for the Post. And that brings us up to the two of us, who've been writing the column for seven-plus years. 

 

– November 21, 2012 12:17 PM
Q.

John Lannan's Wedding

Would you please print the link to the article about John Lannan's wedding? That is exactly what I had wanted with regard to Michael Morse's (and the other upcoming weddings). To me the Nationals and Redskins are the local celebrities; I couldn't give a darn about the politicians and bureaucrats.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Here's the story on John Lannan's wedding. . . Did you and I have an exchange in the comments about the lack of details from the Morse wedding? If that wasn't you, then I'll point out that many VIPs, perhaps most, don't put out a lot of information about their weddings -- and even if they do eventually, it's not usually their first priority on the morning after the nuptials. We were lucky enough to get so much information about Lannan's wedding because it happened weeks before our item (there was a Christmas holiday in between), after we'd had a chance to work the phones and find people who've returned from it and were willing to chat. Morse, though, we wanted to write about the very next day -- and we had roughly as much information as the media could provide the day after the Blake Lively/Ryan Reynolds nuptials, which is to say, not a lot. Sorry! But Morse has been trickling out details since then on his Twitter feed.

– November 21, 2012 12:19 PM
Q.

Patreaus Scandal

My vote - Yes, please stop. Also, thanks for the TG Talking Points. It was awesome.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Thanks for both of your votes.

– November 21, 2012 12:20 PM
Q.

it will be the first time since 1981 that neither a Bush nor a Clinton has been in the administration

Unless the world ends. And then those of us born after 1981 will never know what this is like.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Well, true.

– November 21, 2012 12:20 PM
Q.

Talking Points

Thank you for helping me get a few moments of conversation out of family dinner tomorrow. Could you please explain sequestration to me?
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

That's in there! It's automatic budget cuts scheduled to take place over the next 10 years starting on Jan. 1. Mostly defense and big federal entitlement programs. Big fight brewing.

– November 21, 2012 12:20 PM
Q.

Celebrity sightings

Since I started reading this chat, I have yet to bump into a single celebrity. Then I went to Paris this summer and walked right by Pierce Brosnan at the Rodin Museum. I said to my husband, "I have to tell Amy and Roxanne." My husband said, "Who are they?" I mumbled something about my friends in D.C....
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Does he now think you have imaginary friends?

– November 21, 2012 12:20 PM
Q.

turkey

Which is superior, white or dark?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Both have their virtues.

– November 21, 2012 12:21 PM
Q.

Shopping dilemma

Will you go shopping on Thursday night or wait till Friday? Or neither? I'm torn as I'm really short on time. But I'm also a purist who will not play Christmas carols or turn on the holiday lights till Thankgiving is over.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Christmas falls on a Tuesday this year, right? So I don't know why we're planning so far ahead.

– November 21, 2012 12:21 PM
Q.

petraeus

the only thing is he did something that a lot of line federal employees could lose a security clearance over. that makes it a big deal to a lot of dc folks.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Good point.

– November 21, 2012 12:21 PM
Q.

"Nothing new here, move on."

To the contrary, what this uproar has revealed is the way that four stars on your shoulder get you treated like a rock star all around the world. These guys today have perks that would be unimaginable (and, frankly, disgusting) to Dwight Eisenhower and George C. Marshall. As a matter of fact, a great letter in the Post yesterday from a reader presented a withering contrast between the way Marshall, who had five stars and was running the U.S. military effort in WWII, comported himself as opposed to Petraeus, Allen, and all the other generals whose privileged status has recently come to light.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Since I'm not a military brat, I know very little about the life. But the big generals seem to have a pretty sweet deal.

– November 21, 2012 12:22 PM
Q.

Bette Davis Eyes

Have you heard Taylor Swift's cover of that? It is pretty incredible.

A.
Amy Argetsinger :

It's very, very good. The only part about it I don't like is the part where she gushes, "This came out in 1981, eight years before I was born!"

– November 21, 2012 12:24 PM
Q.

Just reading about Broadwell's life

exhausted me! She had a lot of balls in the air, so to speak. Marathon runner and fitness buff, researcher and writer, mother of two and wife who was basically embedded in the military for a long period of time...the list goes on. I don't know how she found time for an affair in there, do you?
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

You know the saying, "If you want to get something done, ask a busy person." Seriously, I've heard of execs so busy they scheduled their mistresses for 6 a.m. Plus, I'm assuming these are not lingering hours in bed -- maybe just short encounters.

– November 21, 2012 12:25 PM
Q.

Verizon Center

How was the Bob Dylan show? I assume Amy was in the special Friends of Bob VIP Section? (Does he have friends?)
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

You know. . . .I don't often skip a Bob Dylan show, but I did skip this one. It conflicted with the 40th anniversary of The Palm. Besides, I realized it would be much cheaper to just continue to listen to "Basement Tapes" over and over and over again, as well as have the occasional conversations with Bob in my head.

– November 21, 2012 12:25 PM
Q.

Kid Rock

Does he apologize for stealing so heavily from Warren Zevon, to the point that when Kid's horrible "All Summer Long" comes on the radio, I'm excited to hear Werewolves of London, and then moments later I am disappointed that it's actually just Kid.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I think he considers it more homage than stealing.

– November 21, 2012 12:25 PM
Q.

Loooooved Lincoln

Rox or Amy, have you seen it? I thought was brilliant and I've never seen a better portrayal of how politics can be noble and messy at the same time. Run, don't walk, to your nearest theater.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

It's been ages since I say a movie. I promised myself one this weekend, and "Lincoln" is on the short list.

– November 21, 2012 12:26 PM
Q.

Bush/Clinton

Strictly speaking, there was no Bush or Clinton in the Administration (cabinet-level and above) from noon on January 20, 2009 ( when George W. Bush ceased to be President) until 5:29 pm on January 21, 2009 (when Hilary Clinton was sworn in as Secretary of State). The top pop albums during that time were Taylor Swift's Fearless, Nickelback's Dark Horse, and Kanye West's 808s and Heartbreak.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Hmmm, now that you've brought Nickelback into the equation, I'm going to have to rethink my theory.

– November 21, 2012 12:26 PM
Q.

Kid Rock

I was going to read the profile, but when the RS noted that it was long, that killed it for me. Most stories in the New Yorker are long, but t highlight they are long means that it is insufferable. Kid Rock just isn't worth my time.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Clarification: It's not long by New Yorker standards. It's just long by the standards of Kid Rock profiles. But it's not bad at all.

– November 21, 2012 12:27 PM
Q.

michael morse link

leads to paula and politics and prose
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

It is fixed now.

– November 21, 2012 12:28 PM
Q.

Petraeus quirk

Up to a point it was just a routine case of military groupie has affair with object of adoration. Where it crossed the line into crazytown was the sending of threatening emails to the family friend/Tampa socialite. That makes it way creepier.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Yeah, but that's always the wild card in affairs. They  think it's a managable situation, then the other party does something so off that they realize they're in over their head.

– November 21, 2012 12:28 PM
Q.

Moviegoing cabinet members

A friend told me he saw Janet Napolitano and Kathleen Sebelius together at a screening of Anna Karenina at E Street over the weekend. I told him he should have sent you the sighting, but he didn't, so I'm doing it here instead. So cute that they're movie friends!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Hey, has anyone seen Anna Karenina yet? Let me know how it was.

– November 21, 2012 12:28 PM
Q.

Online Advertising

When I pull up the chat, the ads that pop up for me are for Johnnie Walker Blue and for a cruise to Greece. How is that determined? Does that say more about me or you guys?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

That says that you're a prosperous and classy guy. For me, it brings up ads for REI, some jewelry store at National Harber I've never heard of, ALDI grocery stores, and "Toyotathon is ON!"

– November 21, 2012 12:30 PM
Q.

Best time to shop

is today. When I lived in DC, hubby and I would go to Georgetown Park after work and it would be empty on Wednesday evening. We usually would wait until Thursday morning to drive home to Pa., so it worked out nice. Of course, you don't get black Friday deals so much, but it is so much less stressful and there are always good sales.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

You know, I always wondered how great those deals are anyway, and if it's worth the effort. I suppose I would have stood in line for a toy my kid desperately wanted, but he never craved anything that much. Besides, I've never been a morning person, so 5 a.m. anywhere -- except bed --  is not happening.

– November 21, 2012 12:31 PM
Q.

The Gores

A bunch of us were talking about them last night. Did they ever get divorced? If not, why not? Are they ever seen in public together? Is the relationship acrimonious? You guys are awesome, btw.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

They have not yet filed for divorce, since last we checked -- but they've also both moved on, it seems. Al has a new girlfriend, and Tipper has a new boyfriend. And thank you for your kind words. . .

– November 21, 2012 12:32 PM
Q.

parsnips

...roasted in the oven. A dark horse for the Thanksgiving table.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

For you last-minute menu planners.

– November 21, 2012 12:32 PM
Q.

let me know if it worked

Nope.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Thanks. Will see if someone more tech savvy can help.

– November 21, 2012 12:32 PM
Q.

Scandal

This Petraeus thing doesn't feel like a full scandal yet. It is still missing the cliche denouement -- when Hugh Hefner offers a ton of money for her to pose for his magazine and she rejects it.

A.
Amy Argetsinger :

You know, last week you all were waiting for the next shoe to drop, somehow thinking there should be a sixth shoe to drop or something -- but there's really been nothing new since then, has there? Except for the revelation that the shirtless FBI agent photo was really not the least bit sexy or confidential and clearly kind of a joke.

– November 21, 2012 12:33 PM
Q.

Stuffing

With cornbread and using veggie broth. It is the best part of Thanksgiving dinner for a vegetarian.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

More ideas.

– November 21, 2012 12:34 PM
Q.

White House turkeys staying at the W Hotel for 2 nights

Umm, who pays for that? Please tell me it's not us taxpayers?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Judging from the shrewd marketing the W gets out of this, I'm guessing they comp the birds.

– November 21, 2012 12:34 PM
Q.

Bush-Clinton

Do you also realize that people under 11 years have never known a world where a Bush or Clinton has not had a job on television simply because of their last name?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Oh, you don't think Billy Bush would have risen on his own merits? (Yeah, I'm following you.) I actually think he might have just done. That mellifluous voice and those celebrity suck-up skills -- not just anyone can do that. He was like a pre-Ryan Seacrest, really. A Pre-crest, if you will.

– November 21, 2012 12:37 PM
Q.

Serena Williams

Does she still live in DC? My brother is in town and wants to stalk her?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

She's here a lot but I don't think she's ever lived here.

– November 21, 2012 12:38 PM
Q.

Georgetown Park

Someone just mentioned the Georgetown Park Mall. Is that still a thing? I went to the DNV there about six months ago and it was totally empty -- except for the stores that bordered M Street.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

They've cleared the place out of little stores and are bringing in a new batch of stores -- a Marshalls, I think, and other big discount retailers. 

– November 21, 2012 12:44 PM
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

One by one the tenants have been leaving; there's not much there at all these days as the new owners try to rehab and reconfigure the place. There was talk that a T.J. Maxx might be a new anchor.

– November 21, 2012 12:44 PM
Q.

Kid Rock

Any relation to Chris?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Don't quote me on this, but I think not.

– November 21, 2012 12:45 PM
Q.

In the spirit of tomorrow...

I'm thankful for the work you do to put a little spice and fun into the paper. And these chats, which are always worth reading. Happy Thanksgiving to you both.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

And we're thankful for you.

– November 21, 2012 12:45 PM
Q.

inviting a celebrity guest to Thanksgiving dinner

If you could invite any public person to join your family at the dinner table, who would it be?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Merle Haggard. Or Wendy Rieger, if he's not available. How about you?

– November 21, 2012 12:46 PM
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

My international celebrity crush, British playwright Tom Stoppard. 

– November 21, 2012 12:46 PM
Q.

Perks for 4 star generals

Meh, these really don't bother me so much because so few people qualify for them and these guys must have made a lot of sacrifices to get to that rank. I thought the article trying to link these perks to infidelity was a bit off the mark. I couldn't see a real link between the two, but I suppose the exception sometimes proves the rule.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :
– November 21, 2012 12:48 PM
Q.

The affair didn't make me question the General's good sense

so much as his friendship and support of the Tampa socialite and her twin sister. That whole scenario doesn't make sense to me. Is there a network of these socialites who hang around the high-level military establishment? The whole thing is bizarre.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

There are always local citizens near bases who host parties and raise money for military families, etc. That's not the weird aspect -- the fact that two four-stars would get involved in a custody battle is weird and ill-advised. And yes, there are general groupies.

– November 21, 2012 12:50 PM
Q.

Bette Davis Eyes

Taylor Swift's purple dress in that clip you posted is very classy. Any idea where she shops?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Uh, no. Sorry. Many places, I assume. And she probably has stylists showing up at her mansion with groaning garment racks, and designers Fed-Exing her their gratis offerings. In other words -- wherever and however she shops is probably not relevant for our lives.

– November 21, 2012 12:51 PM
Q.

Stuffing

Make a smashad potato and seasoned bread crumb mixture, add sauteed celery and onions with a little garlic, then infuse with enough turkey broth to moisten bread crumbs and potatoes. That and the gravy are the only things my mom can cook.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

This is a new one on me -- I have a hard time imaging it's not just souped-up mashed potatoes instead of stuffing.

– November 21, 2012 12:52 PM
Q.

Military Perks

In fairness to Petraeus -- if I has someone who would rake my leaves and take care of my lawn, I would then have plenty of time to have an affair. So this makes sense.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Except for running a war, you mean?

– November 21, 2012 12:53 PM
Q.

Thanks

Thanks for being here today. I would have assumed you were taking the afternoon to see the opening showing of Red Dawn.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Aiming for the 2:10 p.m. showing at Gallery Place. Meet me there? I think a Hemsworth is in it.

 

If you haven't already seen it, do check out Michael O'Sullivan's "Red Dawn" review.  The lead is a highlight:

 

"There’s good news and bad news about “Red Dawn,” a remake of the 1984 action film about high school kids from the American heartland forced to become guerrilla warriors when their small town is invaded by foreign troops. I’m happy to report that the amped-up retread, which substitutes North Korean soldiers for the original Soviet bad guys -- and a steely Chris Hemsworth for a cheesy Patrick Swayze -- is a big improvement.

"The bad news is: That’s not saying much."

– November 21, 2012 12:53 PM
Q.

Celebrity guest

I'd invite Joe Biden. He'd amuse us with stories at the dinner table and then he'd help me with lawn care afterward.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Excellent point.

– November 21, 2012 12:53 PM
Q.

Jill Kelly

Why does most of the media refer to her as a socialite? I would think social climber is more appropriate. They do remind me of the Kardashians.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Because "socialite" is one of those all-purpose terms describing a woman of a certain class who typically doesn't work outside the home and goes to/throws a lot of parties. Not every socialite is a social climber.

– November 21, 2012 12:55 PM
Q.

Lincoln

My husband & I saw it and loved it. James Spader is excellent as a political "fixer" named William Bilbo (kept me thinking of The Hobbit. . .), and, as I'm a big David Strathairn fan, I loved him as Seward. Lukas Haas (the young Amish boy from Witness) has a small role as a Union soldier in the beginning of the movie, and S. Epatha Merkerson has a "blink and you'll miss it" role. DDL and TLJ are, of course, amazing.
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

Oscars, here they come.

– November 21, 2012 12:56 PM
Q.

Wine Pairings

I was told to bring wine to Thanksgiving dinner. What goes best with turkey?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Dry Riesling or Pinot Noir.

 

Hell, don't ask me. That's probably the wrong answer, but it's what I like to drink. Anyone else here know?

– November 21, 2012 12:56 PM
Q.

let me know if it worked.

not on my computer! But I also have the ad in the middle of the chat...
A.
Roxanne Roberts :

I haven't figured this out; will attempt to post a gingerbread picture in the next chat.

– November 21, 2012 12:56 PM
Q.

Billy Bush

Used to work for a now defunct DC radio station in the early 2000s.... Z104 I believe (or something like that).
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Amy Argetsinger :

According to Wikipedia, he was on D.C.'s 94.7 before moving to Z104, before becoming a big TV star. . . .

– November 21, 2012 12:59 PM
Q.

Roxanne Roberts :

Kids,  time to wrap it up so we, too, can prepare stuffing -- or to be stuffed. Have a joyful Thanksgiving and make a small list of things to be thankful for (it will take your mind off the traffic.) Oh, and pass on sightings and tips to reliablesource@washpost.com. Stay safe; see you all next week.

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