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November 14, 2012

12:03
P.M.

The Reliable Source Live

Total Responses: 94

About the hosts

About the host

About the topic

Washington Post columnist Amy Argetsinger was online Wednesday, November 14, at noon ET to discuss your favorite gossip, celebrity sightings and their recent columns.

Past Reliable Source chats
Q.

Amy Argetsinger :

Hello everyone, and welcome back to the chat. You just have me today. Roxanne is off competing in the Gingerbread Nationals this week, so, you know, look for her on ESPN.

 

Soooo, quiet week, huh -- what's new, anything?

 

JK! With the end of election season comes the start of sex-scandal season, because apparently, we couldn't have our broccoli and our dessert at the same time. Working through your feelings about the Petraeus saga? We offered primers on when a sex scandal ends a career, what happens to the Other Women, and what are “social liaisons”?

 

Still some election stuff to get out of our system: You'll want to check out our gallery on the Most Intriguing New Members of Congress. I can't decide if punk-rocker Beto O’Rourke or mixed-martial-arts-teaching plumber Markwayne Mullin will be my favorite. 

 

One big regret: Turns out that Mitt Romney’s sister could have been the next Roger Clinton.

 

And have you ever noticed how  subtly but beautifully the Obamas color-coordinate?

 

In other news: Axelrod’s new mustache bet. . . Meet Jermaine Jacksun!. . . Ashley Judd’s political future. . .  A Bieber breakup. . .  Bono is back in town. . . .And Bryce Harper has a girlfriend.

 

Looking forward to your questions.

Q.

Petraeus affair

Do you think this is another case of a high-profile man not recognizing the "crazy-eye'd" aspect of an apparent admirer? And how do you explain the bad judgement?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Hmmm. Hadn't really stopped to consider if Paula Broadwell has the crazyeyes. She does have a sparkle, doesn't she?

 

Anyway, as discussed in previous sex scandal coverage (yo, Rielle!), while logic would suggest that the crazyeyes should be a warning sign, they do in fact serve as a potent lure. That extra-sparkly sparkle sends the not-so-subliminal message "I am fantastic in bed."

– November 14, 2012 12:05 PM
Q.

Random obit of the week

TS Elliott's wife! Who knew she was alive enough to die?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, indeed, RIP Valerie Eliot -- but how fascinating. You see, marrying someone 40 years your junior extends your footprint on this earth in some unique way, even if it doesn't make for the most exciting union.

 

"Mrs. Eliot later recalled that their routine included evenings at home eating cheese and playing Scrabble and trips to the theater.

"'He obviously needed a happy marriage,' she later said. 'He wouldn’t die until he’d had it.'"

– November 14, 2012 12:08 PM
Q.

Petreus

With all these shinanngins and hijinks, when did these guys have time to execute a war?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Now, remember, the Petraeus-Broadwell affair did not actually begin until about a year ago, after he had moved to the CIA. (Here's the latest Petraeus-Broadwell story, and it's killing me that I can't find an online version of the Post's excellent A-section graphic timeline -- very useful.) And as Dana Priest outlined today, for all the security guys circling around the CIA director, they're very discreet.

– November 14, 2012 12:12 PM
Q.

You know what would take the Patraeus sex scandal to the next level?

The involvement, somehow, of Peter Orszag. (Although for a non-Orszag related scandal, this one's been pretty amazing).
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Hmmm, no, doesn't seem like his scene. I'm waiting for the CEO of Waffle House to weigh in, though.

– November 14, 2012 12:13 PM
Q.

Best scandal since Eliot Spitzer

Perhaps the Patraeus case will yet veer into sad, Swartzenagger / Shriver-like territory, but at the moment I can't help but enjoy it. And now it's suddenly clear why Jill Kelley needed cracker-jack legal representation. Any guesses as to what be revealed next?

A.
Amy Argetsinger :

You guys are so spoiled. We've already gone from a love triangle to a love pentagon, and you want more?

– November 14, 2012 12:14 PM
Q.

Michael Morse's Wedding (and the other Nats' weddings)

According to their registry, Michael Morse & his fiancee are getting married Saturday. Can we have some information, please? And what about the other 6 Nationals who are getting married? Where? When? Who are the fiancees?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Actually, planning on a story for Monday about this. So please remain calm.

– November 14, 2012 12:15 PM
Q.

tampa florida

how does Jill Kelley have diplomatic immunity so she is, as she told local police, "impervious" to press camped on her lawn? Honorary consul of what?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Jill Kelley does not have diplomatic immunity, but it's an excellent bluff to use in an emergency -- try it and let me know how it works out for you. (She is also not a "social liaison," but that appears to be a phrase the media and some military flacks accidentally cooked up in struggling with how to describe her, rather than a title she threw around.)

– November 14, 2012 12:17 PM
Q.

I didn't know

That Judy Garland was the first practitioner of Gingham style.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Is there some new Gangnam Style spoof video out there I'm not aware of? Google's not helping me.

– November 14, 2012 12:19 PM
Q.

So, any scandals I should know about?

I have been an aficionado of Washington sex scandals since the Fanne Fox/Wilbur Mills days and I have never seen anything like the Petraeus upheaval. My comment on it is that both Mrs. Kelley and her twin sister (who lives in Frederick, according to WBAL-TV in Baltimore) have got mountains of financial issues. The lady in Frederick declared bankruptcy in the middle of a lawsuit brought by her divorce attorney for unpaid bills--she claimed debts of more than $3 million. And Jill Kelley and her husband are having their home foreclosed on and owe huge amounts on a commercial property as well as having big time credit card debt. Yet, somehow, they got very close to the nation's highest ranking military officers. Is it indicative of startling naivete and carelessness on the part of the officer class that they got involved with folks who would have set off alarm bells for any experienced street hustler?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Hmmm, I don't know. If it turns out that Jill Kelley and Gen. Allen did not have an inappropriate relationship -- and the explanations from Allen's pals seem compelling that way -- then I think we're going to wonder why we're spending so much time obsessing over a woman whose main problems (financial stress, social ambitions and a crazy sister) are shared by a lot of Americans.

– November 14, 2012 12:23 PM
Q.

Woodbridge

Have you all seen that Jill Kelley is apparently facing foreclosure proceedings? Maybe she can call on her friends in high places for help.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I'll just add this one thing for you to consider about Jill Kelley. You know who else is facing foreclosure? Just about everyone else in Florida, from what I've read.

– November 14, 2012 12:23 PM
Q.

I'm a huge Bono fan, but...

...it bothers me that he speaks on eradicating poverty at expensive, elitist schools and receptions/dinners where only rich people can attend.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Ah, but isn't that where you have to go to influence powerbrokers, etc.? It's a tricky business, changing the world.

– November 14, 2012 12:25 PM
Q.

Shows of substance

How do we protest reality tv?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

By not watching it.

– November 14, 2012 12:25 PM
Q.

The only thing missing is the dead rabbit in a pot

Am I the only one who thinks the Petreaus thing is like "Fatal Attraction"? And, yes, he should have resigned because of his bad judgement in taking up with a nut case. Oh, and because - depending upon where they were - adultery is still illegal in many states.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

There are simple lessons for everyone here. Don't fool around outside of your marriage or someone else's. Don't get crazy-jealous. Don't send emails, ever.

– November 14, 2012 12:26 PM
Q.

So, where is the photo?

Of Bryce Harper's girlfriend? I can't believe you haven't shared that with us!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Shoot, I'm sorry -- we don't have the rights to publish those photos, but I meant to provide links anyway. So here you go:  Bryce Harper and Kayla Varner from his Twitter account, and from hers. Objectively speaking, they are adorable.

– November 14, 2012 12:28 PM
Q.

Thanks for being obvious

The obvious award of the week goes to People magazine, who named Channing Tatum as the sexiest man alive. Not exactly a bold or surprising choice. This also does not make me feel so bad that I cannot look away from his perfect body...and I am probably old enough to be his mother.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I'm so bored of the Sexiest Man Alive thing. It's turned into "who has a movie to promote who'll agree to sit for this interview?" That said, I haven't yet perused the issue to see if they've got any interesting runners-up.

– November 14, 2012 12:29 PM
Q.

Ashley Judd for US Senate?

Sign me up! She is smart and focused. Too bad I don't live in Kentucky....
A.
Amy Argetsinger :
– November 14, 2012 12:30 PM
Q.

Elmo-gate

Ugh. Was the guy just looking for attention? This is a case where a reputation is easily damaged. Kevin Clash will always get funny looks and people will remember these stories.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Who knows what was going on with Elmo-gate, but it's pretty sad.

– November 14, 2012 12:31 PM
Q.

Headline from the Onion

Betting you say it already, but just in case, the Onion headline is priceless and so funny yet so sad because it's sort of true.

A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yeah, that's a little too close to real, isn't it?

– November 14, 2012 12:32 PM
Q.

The S-word

Are we going to find out that the Kelleys are sort of like the Salahis of Tampa? Does every city have their own Salahis and we just haven't discovered them yet?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, every city has their own, to varying extents.

– November 14, 2012 12:32 PM
Q.

What do YOU want to talk about

Finally, a good old fashion sex scandal. This election cycle was so boring, I was starting to get worried!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Where was our October Surprise? I guess we should be glad we have something to talk about post-election.

– November 14, 2012 12:32 PM
Q.

I hope Gen. Allen is telling the truth

Otherwise, it's just gonna be ugly. (I'll never understand why people think they can get away with this stuff.) Also, emotional involvement with a woman not your wife, even if there isn't any sex, is still not okay. It still hurts your wife.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yup. Though if it turns out he did nothing inappropriate, I'll feel really bad that it's all been dragged out this way.

– November 14, 2012 12:33 PM
Q.

Bryce Harper's girlfriend

Cute! I am a little jealous but glad to see his girlfriend looks like the girl next door type instead of some unreal supermodel.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I know! I think Washington can agree this is really the best case scenario.

– November 14, 2012 12:33 PM
Q.

other simple lesson

don't hack people's emails and send threatening messages to others. or don't hack people's emails ever.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Good pointers, thanks!

– November 14, 2012 12:33 PM
Q.

"it's an excellent bluff to use in an emergency"

Not really. Diplomatic immunity doesn't have anything to do with press attention or domestic law inforcement. She's veering into rocket surgeon territory, that one.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Oh, so you've tried it? Thanks for the warning.

– November 14, 2012 12:34 PM
Q.

Snarky restaurant review

Did you happen to read the review of Guy Fieri's new restaurant in the NYT? Is that level of snark really appropriate for a critic? I think it's funny, not sure if it's totally appropriate.

A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Why can't a critic be snarky? I thought that was pretty entertaining, but curious to know why it sat with you wrong. Critics are supposed to have opinions, you know.

– November 14, 2012 12:35 PM
Q.

Is the chat software fixed?

Will the second Obama inauguration be low-key? Not seemly to be whooping it up if we're still headed over the fiscal cliff? Will Justice Roberts get the oath right this time?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Testing testing . . . I think it's working okay today. How's it seem to you?

– November 14, 2012 12:35 PM
Q.

Roxanne

Amy -- Didn't you used to have a partner named Roxanne who would work with you on this chat? Or did I make that up?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Or did we make that up? Have you ever actually seen her?

– November 14, 2012 12:36 PM
Q.

Re: graphic

FYI, you can't find the Post Petraeus graphic because Post.com is designed specifically to thwart any efforts to read its content.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Well, there's that.

– November 14, 2012 12:36 PM
Q.

Dr. Broadwell

interesting that he seems to be "standing by his woman" more than Holly Petraeus is "standing by her man." Can you think of any other sex scandals where the woman involved was married? How did they work out?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

We haven't heard from either of them, have we? So I think you might just be projecting. To the extent that friends of the Petraeus's have been compelled to allude to anything about her feelings in this matter -- well, that's probably driven more by the fact that that the Petraeus's are the public figures in this matter, and he's the one who has been obliged to issue statements of contrition. We haven't heard from the Broadwells at all.

 

Good question about sex scandals where the Other Woman was married. That is a bit unusual, I think. Examples, anyone?

– November 14, 2012 12:39 PM
Q.

Jill Kelly

Do you think she is regretting reporting the anon emails to the FBI? I do, but am enjoying the show, so glad she did.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, I bet she's regretting it. In fact, that's the factor that makes me wonder if she might be fairly innocent here -- if you had something you had to cover up, you wouldn't be inclined to call law-enforcement attention to yourself. But then that assumes that everyone is a rational players, and her pals Petraeus and Broadwell certainly were not.

– November 14, 2012 12:40 PM
Q.

Mistresses

Your rundown of how famous mistresses are faring was depressing. I didn't realize that Monica Lewinsky was having such a terrible time of it, and I feel truly sorry for her. Yes, she [did whathaveyou] with a married, high-profile man, but it makes me sad that she remains vilified while he is the hero of the Democratic party. Sigh.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :
– November 14, 2012 12:41 PM
Q.

for the producer

floating SAIC ad is covering up a large portion of various questions and answers - it changes each time i refresh. I seem to recall someone had a similar problem last week. what gives?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

It looks fine on my end. Are you in Firefox? You probably should be.

– November 14, 2012 12:41 PM
Q.

love pentagon seems fitting

for the military folks involved.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

It's a very felicitous phrase, whoever came up with it.

– November 14, 2012 12:41 PM
Q.

Shirtless Photos

I don't see a Miss Manners chapter on this, so maybe you guys can help. Who is it considered socially acceptable to e-mail shirtless photos to?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Excellent question! Anyone got any thoughts on this? I'm going to go out on a limb and say: Never.

– November 14, 2012 12:42 PM
Q.

Judy Judy Judy

Judy's gingham frock from the Wizard of Oz was recently sold at auction for some obscene price to an anonymous collection (I'm looking at you, Clay Aikman!)
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Ha. Yes, here's the story.

– November 14, 2012 12:42 PM
Q.

Petraeus/Broadwell

I find it hard to believe the affair didn't start until after he was DCI. Total speculation but I'd guess they're saying that to avoid a potential court martial
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

But the accounts I've read have suggested that (1) it's unlikely they'd bother prosecuting a retired military officer and (2) it was next to impossible to fool around in Afghanistan.

– November 14, 2012 12:43 PM
Q.

i love the timestamps on questions

your person who always asks about the nats' weddings got that in before 6 this morning! that's dedication! glad you're rewarding them (and us) with a story!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Ha, didn't even notice that. We had an unusually high number of questions that came in early today. Nothing like a little blood in the water to get you pirhanas going.

– November 14, 2012 12:44 PM
Q.

Dynasty level scandal!

There's even an identical twin! Does it get any better?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Truly, it's a nice twist.

– November 14, 2012 12:44 PM
Q.

Jill Kelley

Until the scandal broke, had this "socialite" been on your radar in any way? Are there more General Groupies out there?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

No, not at all, but it seems like she was pretty much a Tampa character. And I think there are more general groupies and their ilk than you can even imagine. Honestly, our world is crowded with people who are utterly focused on befriending someone in power. And some of them are remarkably successful at it. It's not even necessarily a bad thing -- just the way of the world. When you become a powerful person, people will want to be near you.

– November 14, 2012 12:47 PM
Q.

The affair didn't begin until he left the military

Oh yeah, prove it! Regardless, it was clear they were having an intense emotional affair long before they, according to one source, took it under the desk. That had to have been a pretty serious distraction.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Well, that's not an unusual course for a lot of affairs. But it's kind of hard for outsiders to know exactly what's going on.

– November 14, 2012 12:48 PM
Q.

Petraeus timeline

Now I had read somewhere that the relationship ended when he went to CIA, while I read somewhere else that it started when he went there. Is one of these more truthier than the other?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

The accounts I've read in the past day or so indicate that they broke things off around July -- coincidentally, or not, around the time he got word she was sending Jill Kelley crazy emails and told her to stop.

– November 14, 2012 12:48 PM
Q.

Coincidence? I think not!

Apparently the Broadwells live near Rielle Hunter in the same upscale development.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Real Housewives of Charlotte?

– November 14, 2012 12:48 PM
Q.

Roxanne at the Gingerbread Competition

It will be great to hear what celebrities show up there. Other than Roxanne, obviously. I hope she crushes the competition!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

She showed me photos of her entry, and it looks like a total killer.

– November 14, 2012 12:49 PM
Q.

Petraeus affair

What is extra interesting about this story, is that there appears to be a second affair, and maybe a third? I can't keep them straight? Who sent the shirtless pictures (FBI agent) and who sent the hundreds of e-mails (retired general?)...
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Okay, let's step back for a second.

 

The only affair we know of is the one between Petraeus and Broadwell.

 

For all the joking about a "love pentagon," we don't know that there were any other romantic relationships going on at all.

 

Broadwell apparently perceived Kelley as a threat, but there have been some pretty strong denials that she had anything to do with Petraeus. And there's a pretty long history, as you may recall from high school, of girls being jealous of their boyfriends' female friends, even if nothing's happening. (Or guys being jealous of their girlfriends' male friends, etc.)

 

Meanwhile, the emails between Allen and Kelley have raised eyebrows -- but some have pointed out that 20,000 pages does NOT equal 20,000 emails. You've got to print up every single email, with the history trail on each one, which means a lot of blithering repetition. Plus, as noted before, Allen's folks are saying these emails were harmless friendly things that were cc'd to his wife.

 

But yes, then there's the FBI agent who was emailing shirtless photos to Jill Kelley. The same agent she turned to for help. Lord knows what's happening there.

– November 14, 2012 12:53 PM
Q.

Rolling Stones

according to stub hub, tickets to see the Stones in Newark are going for $300 for the cheap seats. I have never seen them before. Worth it?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I had an excellent time seeing them for $90 at MCI Center in 1999. But that's a different set of data points, isn't it?

– November 14, 2012 12:54 PM
Q.

Stalking

Why are all the photogs hanging out at Jill and Paula's family homes ( and hideaway)? Why Isn't anyone stalking Petraeus?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Huh. I don't know. Maybe they are? Or maybe we have enough photos of Petraeus. Or are at least content that he'll show up to testify tomorrow and we'll get some new images then.

– November 14, 2012 12:54 PM
Q.

Bieber

Any guesses on who Justin Bieber is next planning to fake date?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I don't know. Elle Fanning? Anyone ?

– November 14, 2012 12:55 PM
Q.

Sexiest Man Alive

Who is this Channing guy? He one of the werewolves from Twilight or something?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I think his name is Tatum Channing, but who can keep it straight.

– November 14, 2012 12:56 PM
Q.

Truth to Generals

It worries me that David Petraeus surrounds himself with people, none of whom are confident enough to tell him the error of his ways. Namely, that the combover hairstyle is really bad.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

He should take a style tip from Rudy Giuliani and just cut that thing off.

– November 14, 2012 12:56 PM
Q.

Donna Rice

Wow. I hope I look 1/2 as good as she does when I am her age. She seemed like, despite her past behavior, she's keeping it classy.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I know. It's nice to see someone endure one of those scandals and land in a good place.

– November 14, 2012 12:56 PM
Q.

Married Other Woman- Crazy Astronaut

I'm pretty sure Lisa Nowak, that crazy astronaut, was married when she drove across the country in her space diaper (okay, so that part isn't true, but it's such a good tidbit!) to kidnap the woman who was dating the man she had an affair with.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Well, she had been married, but she was either divorced or in the process of getting divorced.

– November 14, 2012 12:57 PM
Q.

Morse Wedding Headline Suggestion

Please title your article on Michael Morse's wedding Beauty and the Beast Mode.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Ha. Thanks.

– November 14, 2012 12:57 PM
Q.

You know what Petraeus needs?

Olivia Pope
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Oh, I expect Olivia Pope will be taking on a case exactly like this in a couple weeks, but with more murder and co-eds.

– November 14, 2012 12:58 PM
Q.

Shirtless E-Mails

Why does no one ever email me shirtless photos? I'm talking to you, David Giuntoli (but I wouldn't delete Ian Somerhalder's either)!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Does this help?

– November 14, 2012 12:59 PM
Q.

Am I the only one

who finds the idea of stoic military bureaucrats having sex an utter turn off?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Aw. Stoic military bureaucrats need love too.

– November 14, 2012 1:00 PM
Q.

Biography

I think this means someone has to write a new biography on Petraeus. Because 1. We now know the biographer was heavily biased and 2. The current bio omits the best part and what the General will become most famous for: this scandal.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Oh, it will happen.

– November 14, 2012 1:00 PM
Q.

Dynasty

Clearly, Jill Kelley not only needs to have a twin, but she needs to have an EVIL twin who pretended to be Jill and reported the emails to the FBI to expose her sister's torrid affair and ruin her reputation and marriage. Mwah ha ha ha...
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Well, it's only Day 5 -- be patient.

– November 14, 2012 1:01 PM
Q.

Lucy Mercer was married

Franklin Delano Roosevelt's mistress Lucy Mercer got married in 1920.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

True. But she was a secret mistress, not a sex scandal. No one knew about their affair until after everyone was dead.

– November 14, 2012 1:02 PM
Q.

Married "Other Man"

Former Idaho Congresswoman Helen Chenoweth admitted to having an eight-year affair with a married rancher in the 1980's.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Kind of different from what we were talking about. The famous person was the one who was single at the time.

– November 14, 2012 1:04 PM
Q.

Nationals Weddings

People actually look at the Nationals' wedding registries? Wow. That's all.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Online wedding registries are a fantastic reporting tool.

– November 14, 2012 1:05 PM
Q.

Married mistress

Henry Hyde?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Good one -- thanks for thinking of it.

– November 14, 2012 1:05 PM
Q.

What could make this even more delectable?

THROW BILL CLINTON IN THE MIX!!!
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yeah!

– November 14, 2012 1:06 PM
Q.

Sex Scandals

Is Petraeus the first guy to lose his job over a sex scandal in awhile? Seems we had moved beyond that -- forgiving Clinton, Vitter, Gavin Newsom. Last guy I remember losing was Gary Hart. Am I missing someone?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Anthony Weiner. John Ensign. Dominique Strauss-Kahn. David Wu. Chris Lee. Eliot Spitzer. Obviously, you came to the right place with this question.

– November 14, 2012 1:07 PM
Q.

Driver's License

So I hear Ms. Broadwell's driver's license was found in Rock Creek Park. Did they find her license only? Was it in a purse? Was she mugged? Or she dropped it so that we know she is in Washington now? Mmmmmmmmm.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

It's all so bizarre.

– November 14, 2012 1:07 PM
Q.

Paula

Am I the only one fixated on her arms and shoulders? The woman is built like a jockey
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Oh, that's so unfair, judging this poor woman, hasn't done anything to draw your scrutiny to her arms and shoulders -- oh, wait, never mind. Look at those!

– November 14, 2012 1:09 PM
Q.

Shirtless Photos

Are you a Chippandale (sp?) dancer? Is this a promotional mailing for your, er - services? If so, maybe yes. Otherwise, no.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

There's one exception.

– November 14, 2012 1:09 PM
Q.

shirtless men

Do women really get....excited by those? Or is it one of those things that men think that since they like to see photos of shirtless women, then vice versa is also true.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yeah, I think it's that mistaken assumption -- and a bit of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours."

– November 14, 2012 1:10 PM
Q.

Books

Read any good books lately?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

I liked "Cloud Atlas" and "Swamplandia."

– November 14, 2012 1:10 PM
Q.

Other woman

What strikes me about this is that the woman is almost always far less well known than the man. That means that, to the general public, they are defined by the affair, whereas the men had a preconceived public reputation that they can play on. Are there examples of a Washington scandal where the woman was better known?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Good points, yes. . . . The Chenoweth affair is the only one we can think of, but that didn't leave a lot of ripples.

– November 14, 2012 1:11 PM
Q.

The Other Woman married

Senator John Ensign of Nevada? He fired his mistress's husband and her teenage son.
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, good point. The Ensign scandal really blew my mind, when all the details came out, and I thought it would set everyone's hair on fire -- but then, from what I recall, the DSK scandal broke just days later.

– November 14, 2012 1:12 PM
Q.

I thought the lesson was

"don't **** the help." Yes it's offensive, but really, don't **** the help..
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, but doesn't one's biographer (or, say, campaign videographer) fit in a different category?

– November 14, 2012 1:13 PM
Q.

Gingerbread Nationals?

Is this a reality show I've missed?
A.
Amy Argetsinger :

My plan has been to turn it into a Lifetime movie, starring Sela Ward as Roxanne, and [Actor TBA] as her romantic interest, because you need a romantic subplot in this movie, and I can only assume that gingerbread competitions are a fantastic way to meet men.

– November 14, 2012 1:14 PM
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Post chat

Not fixed, for me at least. There's a Lord & Taylor ad blocking part of the chat.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Well, go buy something then, quick!

– November 14, 2012 1:14 PM
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The snarkiest reviews are the most fun and memorable, alas

I laughed as I read until I came to the dissing of the great and humble Calvin Trillin, whose shoes this critic is not worthy to clean.
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Amy Argetsinger :

I actually didn't quite get the Trillin reference, and wasn't sure that it was a dis of Trillin.

– November 14, 2012 1:15 PM
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FYI, you can't find the Post Petraeus graphic because Post.com is designed specifically to thwart any efforts to read its content.

Oh gosh. Not this guy again. Post.com is FREE!!! And, actually pretty great! Suck it up, dude.
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Amy Argetsinger :

And you know where you can see this great graphic? In the newspaper, which you can shell out some spare change to buy -- and should, in fact.

– November 14, 2012 1:15 PM
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DWTS

How about a special edition for Anthony Weiner, David Petraeus, John Allen--dancing on a keyboard like Tom Hanks in Big?

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Amy Argetsinger :

That is a nice image.

– November 14, 2012 1:15 PM
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Rocket Surgeon

And there was a typo in my comment! I am so ashamed, I must retire from polite company to hang my head in shame.
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Amy Argetsinger :

I thought "rocket surgeon" was intentional, no? I liked it.

– November 14, 2012 1:16 PM
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And yet another simple lesson

If you conduct an affair via electronic media (cellphones, email, Twitter, etc.) then use either no-name, throw-away phones or encrypt your email. And definitely don't use Twitter.
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Amy Argetsinger :

A lesson we didn't think we had to learn, but Anthony Weiner made sure we did.

– November 14, 2012 1:17 PM
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20,000 Pages of email

How is this even remotely possible ? I mean what did he do, occasionally sent here the entire text of War and Peace or something ?
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Amy Argetsinger :

You know how it goes -- if you and a friend exchange just six or seven short messages, and you both keep hitting "reply with history," then suddenly each of those emails grows to 10 pages of headers and coding and reptitive junk. 

– November 14, 2012 1:18 PM
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Sexiest Man Alive

the list begins and ends with Damian Lewis. People Magazine decision-makers are idiots.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, the star of "Homeland" -- I can't tell if he's skin-crawlingly creepy or devastatingly hot or a mixture of both. I guess that's what we call acting.

– November 14, 2012 1:19 PM
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political wives

I don't know how they do it. If I were one, I'd want all male staffers around my husband. but that's not even foolproof--who was the tickle fight guy?
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Amy Argetsinger :

Eric Massa. Yeah, that was a good one.

– November 14, 2012 1:20 PM
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what's the rule about sleeping down?

Can't remember whether it was your famous rule that got people all worked up.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Was it the rule about how you should only have an affair with someone who has as much to lose as you do? Or the rule about not sleeping with anyone who is more screwed up than you are?

– November 14, 2012 1:21 PM
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Washington sex scandals

Don't forget Wayne Hays and Elizabeth Ray, his secretary who didn't even know how to answer the office phone.
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Amy Argetsinger :

That was a good one . . .

– November 14, 2012 1:21 PM
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"Bono is back in town"

But Mary Bono Mack is leaving town, right?
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Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, sadly -- Mary Bono Mack and her husband Connie Mack both lost their elections. Sorry. They were a cute couple.

– November 14, 2012 1:21 PM
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"we couldn't have our broccoli and our dessert at the same time"

And apparently you won't have your Brauchli and your dessert at the same time, either.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Awww.

– November 14, 2012 1:21 PM
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Jon Stewart got it right!

When Paula Broadwell appeared on "The Daily Show" to promote her bio of Petraeus, Jon Stewart astutely observed that the only controversy re the book was a matter of how adulatory it was. I wonder if he totally saw through Broadwell's obsession at the time, as opposed to making a comment that only in hindsight fits the situation.
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Amy Argetsinger :

A friend of mine said he knew they were having an affair just by reading her book.

– November 14, 2012 1:22 PM
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RE: Dynasty

Somehow, someway this Petraeus scandal will become a Lifetime movie in the next 2 years and I will be watching!
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Amy Argetsinger :

But will it be an episode of Law & Order?

– November 14, 2012 1:22 PM
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Affairs when Married

Liz Taylor, who coincidentally, is being played by Lindsey Lohan in an upcoming movie.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Ah, but Liz Taylor is in a category by herself.

– November 14, 2012 1:23 PM
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Random

If you're doing a movie with Sela Ward and need a male love interest I'm your guy. No questions asked. On affairs, it's not quite the same but does Princess Diana qualify as a married woman more famous than her man?
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Amy Argetsinger :

Oh, that's true. And someone also pointed out (somewhere in this sprawling-out-of-control thread) that Camilla Parker Bowles was of course married.

– November 14, 2012 1:24 PM
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Broadwell's view of Kelley

I wonder if Paula Broadwell simply considered Jill Kelley unworthy of the friendship of the Petraeus family, like some sort of parvenu.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Maybe. Whatever it was, she was clearly not a rational player. . . .

– November 14, 2012 1:24 PM
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Am I the only one who finds the idea of stoic military bureaucrats having sex an utter turn off?

Still waters sometimes run deep.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Apparently.

– November 14, 2012 1:24 PM
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Military groupies

Do ALL generals and admirals have groupies and entourages of the magnitude that the Petraeuses do?
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Amy Argetsinger :

They all have groupies, but I would imagine that your entourage grows with your rank and prestige.

– November 14, 2012 1:26 PM
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use either no-name, throw-away phones or encrypt your email

ooh, or use a code, like in the Wire, and then reporters will have to be smart like Prez to crack it!
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Amy Argetsinger :

Exactly. I mean, it takes some work, but this isn't supposed to be easy, right?

– November 14, 2012 1:26 PM
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Speaking as another author of serious books

What kind of author goes on TV to promote her supposedly serious book, while wearing a frilly black silk halter top? When I go on book tours I wear a tailored suit jacket and a simple neutral top, with either tailored slacks or a longish skirt, in order to look professional and be taken seriously.
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Amy Argetsinger :

Yes, but . . . . has it occurred to you that TV bookers, and the publishing company execs who want their authors booked on TV shows, might have a bit of a bias towards bright-eyed, toned-tricep authors? And there are male authors, too, who benefit from this bias.

– November 14, 2012 1:30 PM
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Amy Argetsinger :

Well, this has been a healthy conversation. Can't even begin to answer a fraction of your questions. But thanks for a thoughtful and entertaining chat. Catch you back here next week at this time, but stay in touch all week long at reliablesource@washpost.com.

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