but PLEASE tell me you watched the NBC broadcast of the Men's Olympic Swimming trials? All those hot guys, in tight outfits...talk about Must See TV! I saved the money I would have spent going to see "Magic Mike"!
Amy Argetsinger :
Oh, I watch a bit of TV, I do. . . Missed that, I'm afraid, though I'll catch up with them at the Olympics. (Googling informs me that that cute Australian from '04, Ian "the Thorpedo" Thorpe, will not be back this year, alas. Best nickname ever.)
– June 27, 2012 12:03 PM
Many thanks for your tremendous service to this country in providing excerpts from Rielle Hunter's (ewww, need to wash my hands after typing that name) novella. When you buy one copy and let us know what the juicy parts are, that probably means 1000+ copies that no one needs to buy now.
Roxanne Roberts :
Thanks. Yesterday, I asked a colleague how many books he thinks she will sell: not many, he guessed, but we could be wrong. We'll check back in a few weeks and let you know.
– June 27, 2012 12:04 PM
Thanks for explaining what happened to this guy! It looked like he had been in a fight, and the makeup didn't quite cover it.
I saw that Streep said, "Nora just looked at every situation, cocked her head and said, 'HMMM - how can I make this more fun?" I think that's a tremendous compliment. That's what I want someone to say about me when I'm gone!
Amy Argetsinger :
That is a tremendous compliment -- though let it be noted, Ephron's great gift including taking some pretty sad stuff and making it more fun. My favorite quote was upon her divorce from Carl Bernstein: “Although it was the most awful thing I’ve ever been through . . . it was by far the most interesting.”
– June 27, 2012 12:07 PM
Wouldn't you be more concerned about the character of the man you love if he didn't dump your ass for trashing his dead ex-wife so publically?
Amy Argetsinger :
Oh, is that why they broke up? Too bad, because otherwise, such a healthy relationship.
– June 27, 2012 12:08 PM
You did it again, and saved me from the money and time I might have spent reading Rielle Hunter's book for myself. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. This is a valuable service you provide to the people!
Amy Argetsinger :
I really appreciate that. Especially since this turned out not to be the 45-minute skim but a four or five-hour read. Rielle has a LOT to say. Could have used an editor.
– June 27, 2012 12:08 PM
if we say, "that's a clow question, bro" in this chat does he get money? Or do we just go to jail?
Amy Argetsinger :
You can (and should!) say it all you want. But don't try to put it on a t-shirt and sell it -- he's reserving that privilege for himself.
– June 27, 2012 12:09 PM
I know I shouldn't get too riled up about this woman, who is hardly a sophisticate, but some of her views on autism, and her ability to get a soapbox on it because she posed naked, have been damaging and dangerous. And, I think that is shows the real danger of celebacovacy, which is that, by definition, these people are articulate and talk a good game because that's their profession, but they are essentially uneducated and have little of the sophisticated understanding that would lead them to actually be a meaningful part of the discussion. I feel sorry for her plight with her son - I know first hand how devastating and painful raising a child with autism is - but posing naked and being a professional spokesmodel does not make your qualified to discuss the medical ins and outs of a disease that baffles even the brightest medical minds. Its one thing to raise money for research, its another thing to get a media voice for your crackpot dangerous ideas just because you're prettier than the other moms who are suffering.
Roxanne Roberts :
You've raised some interesting points -- although, in Jenny's defense, she was spurred on by less-famous advocates who shared her views. One thing we really try to do when writing the Celebvocates feature is remind people that celebrities have no special expertise -- they just get attention because they are famous. Every once in a while, one of their reps will call and get huffy because we focused on the star instead of their cause. I always answer that if we were writing about the cause, I'd be interviewing professionals who spend 24-7 researching the subject, not someone from Hollywood who takes up the issue.
– June 27, 2012 12:10 PM
Still love that movie after all these years
Amy Argetsinger :
Holds up well, doesn't it? The only problem with the movie is that it created its own cliche: It created the new template for romantic comedies, imitated by so many other filmmakers (including Ephron herself) that the feeling has become a little stale, through no fault of its own.
– June 27, 2012 12:11 PM
"Above all, be the heroine of your life, not the victim." -- Nora Ephron. If women truly took this advice to heart, we'd have a lot less tragic gossip to mull over. Words to live by from one of the era's most gifted writers and directors.
Roxanne Roberts :
I have a feeling women all over America are taping their favorite Ephron quote on their computers today.
– June 27, 2012 12:11 PM
The real question about Rielle Hunter's book sales is, "how many would she have sold if '50 Shades of Grey' had not been released just prior?"
Roxanne Roberts :
"50 Shades" has---from all reports---lots of fringe/interesting sex. Hunter's book has none. So I don't think the two are connected, unless there's a chapter on not messing up your hair during sex.
– June 27, 2012 12:14 PM
I thought her description of the husband in her roman a clef about their marriage was wonderful: "That man would have sex with a venetian blind." Do you have any idea why the Post's Richard Cohen made the official announcement of her death?
Amy Argetsinger :
If you read a lot of obituaries, you'll notice that it's not uncommon to have someone other than a family member handle the announcement. You don't always see that attribution placed in stories -- but I think writers might be more inclined to provide that extra bit of information in cases where there is murkiness about what's happened. (And, in fact, yesterday afternoon, there was much confusion as to whether Ephron was dead or alive, after her friend Liz Smith prematurely published a tribute, before she had actually passed away.)
– June 27, 2012 12:15 PM
Was there anyone wanting to see a Spice Girls reunion?
Roxanne Roberts :
No, but did you see there's Broadway musical in the works based on their songs? The "Mama Mia" people are involved, so if it even gets a fraction of that crowd, they'll have enough money without ever stepping on a stage themselves.
– June 27, 2012 12:16 PM
Every year I submit this to be added to the dictionary. One day I shall prevail!
gave out cars, scented candles, tickets to the Jon Stewart rally and spanx. The View gives out that trashheap's book. Clearly a quality difference.
Roxanne Roberts :
They typically give out copies of author's book appearing on the show. Yesterday's audience just got the short straw.
– June 27, 2012 12:18 PM
I have always wondered - do the celeb's hacks call you before they come to town to let you know that they are coming. You know, for the cause - not the publicity?
Amy Argetsinger :
Nothing wrong with a call from a flack letting you know that a celeb's coming to town for a cause. Someone's got to get the word out. It's not like we've got a tracking device on Michael Bolton.
– June 27, 2012 12:18 PM
When all said and done, who ends up the more famous of the couple -- Bernstein or Ephron?
Amy Argetsinger :
Hmmm. That's a hard one. They might be even, now.
– June 27, 2012 12:18 PM
I need to schedule with my therapist for those weeks. It's really a difficult time for me.
Amy Argetsinger :
You're on your own for the middle three weeks of August.
– June 27, 2012 12:19 PM
Am I legally allowed to have "That's a clown question, bro" tattoo on the back of my neck? Or will that cost me money?
Roxanne Roberts :
Probably, but---I beg you---wait a year. If you still think it's a good idea, wait another year. Rinse, repeat.
– June 27, 2012 12:19 PM
waiting for the impact of this chat's "strapless gowns don't look that good on many brides" movement to take effect. Nothing so far. I'll keep you informed.
Amy Argetsinger :
Well, since "Say Yes to the Dress" is the infomercial wing of the wedding industrial complex, you'll be waiting forever.
– June 27, 2012 12:20 PM
How are you feeling today about Mr. Jefferson's University?
Amy Argetsinger :
It's been a remarkable two and a half weeks, hasn't it?
– June 27, 2012 12:21 PM
What is really vulgar is that the book appeared to be timed to the trial, i.e. her demanding attention when her Baby Daddy could have been facing jail time. Classy, that.
Roxanne Roberts :
I believe she really, really wanted to get HER side of the story out, and that it was timed for after the trial, regardless of outcome.
– June 27, 2012 12:21 PM
Does breaking up with the man who fathered your child while still married to someone else help sell books?
Amy Argetsinger :
You think she was the one who broke things off?
– June 27, 2012 12:21 PM
While I am excited about the musical, I am concerned that if the show isn't very good, it might cheapen their legacy. Am I alone here?
Roxanne Roberts :
– June 27, 2012 12:22 PM
Just another in the increasing stack of musicals that use songs we already know/are part of pop culture (Footloose, Mama Mia, Movin' Out, etc). It's the hook that gets us to buy tickets - we know we can sing along.
Roxanne Roberts :
I can sing exactly one line of a Spice Girls song. But what do I know? I though I would hate "Mama Mia," but was surprised to discover I knew a lot more of ABBA's songs than I realized.
– June 27, 2012 12:24 PM
I loved this book for its glimpse into the lifestyles of the Georgetown set back in the day. It sounded fabulous! I guess she was pretty happy to get back to NYC, though, where she really did belong.
Roxanne Roberts :
Georgetown was always smart, but not always witty. She might have found it a tad boring.
– June 27, 2012 12:26 PM
Who and why? I don't think I've ever criticized you guys in the years I've been on this chat - but this being worthy of your column was odd. I wouldn't know these people from Adam if they crashed a white house state dinner.
Amy Argetsinger :
Sigh. And then other readers complain when we don't have *enough* news about D.C. socialites. Basically, it's a big column, with lots of different kinds of news for lots of different kinds of people -- if you're not interested in one thing, skip and move to the next. . . Ashley has been a recurring character in our column over the years. Granted, there was a lot more interest in her when she was engaged to the late Joe Robert (yes, the multi-millionaire three decades her senior), but because of that, a lot of readers are going to be interested in how it worked out for her in the long run. (Ashley Taylor weds, 6/24/12)
– June 27, 2012 12:26 PM
So, he seems like Joe Tourist on his recent visits to DC. Why does he like it here so much? Also, what's up with his child and baby-mama relationship? I'm impressed at how quiet he keeps that stuff.
So how does this work? Does she have a PR team giving her bad advice? An agent? Is she representing herself? Why does she even care if people hate her--it's not like she's a politician or athlete or had some job before that depended on a positive public image for political or endorsement support? And why, for the love of all decency, hasn't John Edwards paid her to keep her trap shut.
Roxanne Roberts :
My impression, based on previous news reports, is that Rielle pretty much does what she wants and is not entirely motivated by money---although I'm sure that has played into what she says and when. So I believe that Edwards could throw millions at her and she'd still talk because she wants the world to know that she's not the bad guy here. And -- even if there are some restrictions on what she can disclose as part of a child support agreement -- I doubt the court can effectively put a permanent gag order on her talking about her own life.
– June 27, 2012 12:30 PM
In the words of the late great Nora Ephron, "I'll have whatever she's having". What a meteoric rise.
The less-famous experts whose water Jenny McCarthy carries re autism include a British researcher who was found to include outright FRAUD in presenting his supposed results. Nothing ambiguous about the harm to children who don't receive needed vaccinations, so contract life-threatening ailments (see major increase lately in whooping cough among little ones, who are in the high-risk group for the disease themselves, as well as spreading it to other high-risk groups such as the elderly).
Roxanne Roberts :
On the flip side, there are celebrities who draw much-needed attention to important issues and causes. This is why you should never make a decision based on what celebrities say, but do your own research.
– June 27, 2012 12:33 PM
makes we wonder about Cate Edwards. Is she running her Mom's foundation? Still married? Helping out with her younger siblings?
Amy Argetsinger :
Newly married, running the foundation named for her mother. They officially live here, but she was clearly spending a lot of time in North Carolina during her dad's trial.
– June 27, 2012 12:34 PM
Congrats to Mary Cheney and her partner
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 12:35 PM
Am I weird in thinking he was already looking to replace his wife - figuring she was dying so time to move on. Particularly based on tidbits about his hussy meeting his kids. What a total [curse word].
Amy Argetsinger :
I think that's an overly-sympathetic way to present straight-up philandering.
– June 27, 2012 12:36 PM
being endlessly trashed will inspire someone to defend themself with remarks about the supposedly-sainted but now dead (not her fault Elizabeth's dead; she'd be entitled to have her say regardless). Even if Rielle hadn't insight on this from her own observations and what she was told (Andrew Young made relevations about what a bitch E was as well), I wouldn't believe E was a saint. She was no more a saint than, well, Mother Teresa (a third rail where Americans in particular seem to be unable to dare go).
Roxanne Roberts :
Let's stipulate that no one in this story is a saint. But I do think that trashing Elizabeth is in bad form -- not because she's dead, but because Quinn has a relationship with John's other children and trashing their mother in public is unnecessary and hurtful.
– June 27, 2012 12:37 PM
You know what is amazing about the new Dallas? The old stars are all about a foot taller than the pretty new actors? When did they stop casting full grown people on TV shows?
Amy Argetsinger :
YES! I think I need to write my next doctoral dissertation on this topic.
– June 27, 2012 12:37 PM
But it was written by Jennifer Sauders (aka Edina Monsoon from Absolutely Fabulous). How bad could it be? It will be campy, for sure, but that's not a bad thing at all. Plus, they had some really good pop-fluff songs and there is nothing wrong with that.
Roxanne Roberts :
It HAS to be campy. That's the only way it can work.
– June 27, 2012 12:37 PM
To Mary Chaney and Heather Poe! I'm shocked, shocked Rush Limbaugh has kept his mouth quiet about this!
Roxanne Roberts :
Good thing they're not Democrats.
– June 27, 2012 12:39 PM
why didn't she call it "What Rielle-y Happened"?
Roxanne Roberts :
Because that would require a sense of humor.
– June 27, 2012 12:40 PM
When I heard the question to Bryce about the beer, I thought it was an okay question, and I thought his response was well done. But when I heard he was a Mormon, I was hoping the reporter didn't know that, because the question then seems, to me, more inappropriate.
Amy Argetsinger :
I think the reporter didn't know that -- and, you know, even if Bryce Harper weren't Mormon, there'd be no PR upside for this underage athlete to boast about what kind of booze he's going to drink once he's outside his home country. HAVING SAID THAT, there's no such thing as a dumb question, especially one that triggers an answer that gets 678,000 page views.
– June 27, 2012 12:40 PM
Any idea if he is a Capital Bikeshare year-long member, or was he doing the one day pass for a few bucks?
Roxanne Roberts :
Not a clue. One-day pass makes sense, but he can afford a year-long membership.
– June 27, 2012 12:41 PM
The 4Ps closes their doors tonight. What is wrong with this city?
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 12:43 PM
Apologize in advance if this was already answered, but just curious if you ever did find out where in Northern Virginia that White House Press Secretary Jay Carney grew up?
Amy Argetsinger :
I think I'll call him tomorrow and demand an answer, like, right when the health-care opinion is coming out.
– June 27, 2012 12:43 PM
What was her side? What have we been missing?
Roxanne Roberts :
Overwhelming can't-fight-it love + plus John's mean wife = not her fault that they had an affair.
– June 27, 2012 12:44 PM
In defense of Mrs. Hunter and Mr. Edwards, the time I cheated on my dying wife with someone I put on the company payroll, resulting in an out-of-wedlock child that I denied knowing anything about, and ended up being prosecutred - that was really tough to make that relationship work.
Amy Argetsinger :
I hear you. That is tough. I really felt for the guy when Rielle was begging him to go into couples counseling and he was all feet-dragging with the old "maybe, if I don't get indicted" line.
– June 27, 2012 12:45 PM
But, how can someone be so obtuse. Unless one is, themselves, a homewrecking floozy, nobody is going to have the slightest bit of sympathy or care for you. How can she possibly think she was not setting herself up for another round of ridicule and scorn.
Amy Argetsinger :
Okay, my other other favorite part of Rielle Hunter's book? This quote:
“The problem with our relationship is pretty obvious: someone who is living a life devoted to spiritual truth is probably not going to be the best mistress. ... I never read any mistress handbooks, and therefore didn’t realize how important it is ... to keep your mouth shut!”
– June 27, 2012 12:47 PM
How close are we to another President being featured in a vampire movie. I was thinking Teddy Roosevelt would be next
Amy Argetsinger :
Right? See, they just never let Teddy win.
– June 27, 2012 12:47 PM
That movie was great, but Nora totally cheapened it over the years with those awful Sleepless in Seattle/You've Got Mail follow-ups. Now the movies are all grouped together and people forget Harry Met Sally was head and shoulders above the other knockoffs. Twenty three years later, here's hoping Harry and Sally are still together.
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 12:48 PM
I just spewed water at my monitor. Now I have to go find some paper towels. But, that was SO worth it!
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 12:48 PM
Was that CGI to get Cliff Barnes on last week's show? I had assumed he was dead.
Amy Argetsinger :
I assumed the same about Larry Hagman, and still do, in fact. No original parts left, that's for sure.
– June 27, 2012 12:48 PM
now THAT would be something! That could even be an infomercial!
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 12:49 PM
What a refreshingly age-appropriate couple! Let's hope these two talented kids can make it work. Now, I wonder if Mary-Kate and her "new" beau will double-date with her sister. I just hope nobody tells Bob Sagat that Ashley is available.
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 12:49 PM
I kinda get what you are trying to say, but she is/was spreading completely false information AND HER SON DOES NOT HAVE AUTISM. He had some other disorder that is often misdiagnosed as autism.
So, her line that she "cured" her son really gets me riled up and does a HUGE disservice to those parents who children actually have austism that cannot be "cured."
Roxanne Roberts :
I see why you're upset. But I don't think she's going to stop talking, so the only way to counter her exposure is to ask respected experts to respond to her.
– June 27, 2012 12:49 PM
First Fifty Shades, which I still haven't read, and now "Magic Mike." I have received emails from two different groups of friends to do a drinks and Magic Mike opening night get together, but it all seems somewhat tacky to me. If men were getting together to do drinks and a movie about female strippers, I feel we'd all look down on them. Although I guess it's not that different from cheerleaders at a sporting event. But there's a part of me that feels like the ladies should all tone down the "sex! sexy men!" hysteria. Perhaps I'm a prude, though. (unmarried, mid-30s, female, btw)
Amy Argetsinger :
There is a high-camp element to all of this, isn't there?
– June 27, 2012 12:50 PM
Rielle will probably sell more in summertime when folks can justify it as a "beach read" than she would in winter.
Amy Argetsinger :
But I've warned you people already: There's basically no sex in it. I think you're going to want some sexy sex for your $24.95 beach hardback, right?
– June 27, 2012 12:51 PM
I know it is tough for a single mother, so was wondering if she has been offered any more videographer jobs? Seems working for a presidential campaign would look good on a resume.
Roxanne Roberts :
Is that a zoom lens, or are you just happen to see me?
– June 27, 2012 12:53 PM
Do you think they've met? If I were Cate, I couldn't imagine what I'd to if I met that woman, especially after she said that stuff about my mom. Oh wait, maybe I COULD imagine...
Amy Argetsinger :
Rielle writes in her book that, during her stint as the Edwards campaign videographer, she briefly met Cate, and Cate told her dad that she thought Rielle was "cool." Or so Rielle says, or so John Edwards told Rielle.
– June 27, 2012 12:54 PM
is simply defending oneself/countering with the truth though. It ain't like Elizabeth was family. I'm QUITE sure her kids saw The Other Elizabeth plenty ... though they may be embarrassed that other people now know a few things (I think the greater embarassment at having one's parent's frailties/humanity revealed is centered on the father, not the mom).
Roxanne Roberts :
Ah, families. Especially political families. So much attention, so much presenting the "perfect" version. All families have secrets, but most don't live them out in public.
– June 27, 2012 12:55 PM
Is there a reason that Jenny McCarthy is being brought up so much during today's live chat?
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 12:55 PM
I was recently watching Broadcast News and Holly Hunter gets in a taxi and asks to go to Cap's Bar, on 17th and Vermont? Was that a real place in the 80s, or just made up? The address sure seems fake.
Amy Argetsinger :
Funny, I was watching the same thing last night. "17th and Vermont," were it to exist, would put you somewhere in the middle of the White House's West Wing.
– June 27, 2012 12:59 PM
One of the things that drives me to distraction about this is that all of the reports of Elizabeth Edwards supposed lack of sainthood (and everyone has their down days, especially when they are dying of cancer and their husband is philadering) come from people who have a motivation to make her look bad to cover up their own overt actions or complacentness to justify making her last days particularly sad, humiliating and lonely. Not a single person alive who is involved in this can really be throwing stones.
Roxanne Roberts :
I suspect part of this was due to her wise, saintlike reputation before all this came out, and Elizabeth's own role in covering up the affair while John was running for president. She wasn't perfect AND that lack of perfection does not justify anything John and Rielle did. Two separate issues.
– June 27, 2012 12:59 PM
Thinking the camera lady is cool, particularly when she is helping your dad become president. I don't think we should write too much into that. Assume Cate thinks she is a whole lot less cool these days.
Amy Argetsinger :
Yeah, honestly, I thought it was a fairly meaningless bit of intel for her to include in the book, frankly.
– June 27, 2012 12:59 PM
How 'bout that one who died after 45 days in office>? He could get a chance to fill out his term as an undead.
Amy Argetsinger :
"William Henry Harrison, Zombie President." Why don't you go draw up a graphic novel on that concept -- my gift to you -- and then sell it as a movie.
– June 27, 2012 1:01 PM
What she was was relatable. A lot of women liked her because they could see aspects of their own story in her. That is the fundamental difference between Reille and Elizabeth: only other trollops who sleep with men while their wives are dying of cancer and the WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT IT and romanticize their dishonorable behavior would find Hunter at all relatable or want to see something in themselves in her.
Roxanne Roberts :
Face it, not a lot of book deals for members of the The Misunderstood Mistress Club. Rielle got lucky, so to speak.
– June 27, 2012 1:01 PM
I think the OP's "If men were getting together to do drinks and a movie about female strippers, I feel we'd all look down on them." is sad. Maybe if you weren't so judgmental, you'd have more fun in your life and could understand why seeing Magic Mike and having a drink with your girlfriends might be a good time.
I thought 50 Shades of Grey was a terribly written bomb, but my book club that covered it was fun and spurred some little-had conversations about getting it on
Amy Argetsinger :
I wish this software allowed the two of you to discuss this without me mediating. Interesting debate, I just got nothing to add.
– June 27, 2012 1:02 PM
It is not that we are talking about her more than we should today. It was just that were too lax in talking about her over the past decade.
Roxanne Roberts :
– June 27, 2012 1:02 PM
Men don't have to get together for drinks to watch scantily clad women. They are absolutely everywhere.
Roxanne Roberts :
Yeah, and guys NEVER take their shirts off in the summer. Prudes.
– June 27, 2012 1:03 PM
The brother of Nicolas Sarkozy? C'mon Mary-Kate, you can do better then that.
Amy Argetsinger :
Oh, I thought that was pretty well played, actually. What would be better? Dating yet another young actor/model is so cliched, and the Olsen Twins are always on to the next next thing.
– June 27, 2012 1:03 PM
Is Heartburn, the most famous movie in DC ever (for the current news cycle) any good? Worth watching?
Roxanne Roberts :
Oh, yeah. One of the funniest divorce movies ever.
– June 27, 2012 1:03 PM
There's nothing wrong with appreciating the beauty of the opposite sex (i.e. Magic Mike). It's not like we are talking about porn here. Channing Tatum is a really good dancer so he probably has good moves in the movie.
Roxanne Roberts :
He can absolutely dance---the movie is based on his past life as a male stripper.
– June 27, 2012 1:05 PM
Is this a niche in the book market just waiting for an author?
With all due respect for this great country, shouldn't we have the right to move the holiday one day back or forth to make it a longer weekend? The Wednesday holiday really brings nothing to the table.
Amy Argetsinger :
Word. I move that if July 4 falls on a Wednesday, then the entire week has to be a federal holiday.
– June 27, 2012 1:06 PM
Please. In this country where I can see half-naked women hawking cars, beer, cereal or anything else from dawn until dusk, but usually only see prime-looking, half-naked men in the museum, old diet coke ads, or in department store flyers for men's underwear, I am going to see Magic Mike, and I am going to enjoy it.
Roxanne Roberts :
– June 27, 2012 1:06 PM
I assue this is what your life is like on a daily basis, right?
Amy Argetsinger :
I watched about 10 minutes of it last night and found it fairly tedious, so . . . . yes?
– June 27, 2012 1:06 PM
I really don't want to hear anything about the sex lives of ANYONE in my book group. Ick!
Amy Argetsinger :
Is this your way of kicking me out? You should have said something.
– June 27, 2012 1:07 PM
And so the Board of Visitors reversed itself. I know we have seen a lot of poorly managed crisis situations in DC, but the way this played out was astounding, with Rector Dragas evidently thinking she could rule Jefferson's university by fiat. Wrong.
Amy Argetsinger :
Well, she had the vice-rector on her side, too, remember. And just enough board members. . .
– June 27, 2012 1:08 PM
When she was asked why they broke up, she said it was private. Now she's worried about privacy. Too little, to late, methinks!
Amy Argetsinger :
As a seeker of truth, she owes us the full story.
– June 27, 2012 1:08 PM
I learned a new term this week: "Breastaurant". Hooters, obviously. But there are some other regional chains in the western US. Who knew.
Roxanne Roberts :
I saw that term for the first time that week.
– June 27, 2012 1:08 PM
Heartburnfunnier than Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
Roxanne Roberts :
– June 27, 2012 1:09 PM
Sorry, no. THE EXORCIST!
Roxanne Roberts :
Ooops---you're right, if we're not counting any political movies.
– June 27, 2012 1:10 PM
In Artificial Intelligence Breakthrough, Google Computers Teach Themselves To Spot Cats on YouTube
Roxanne Roberts :
That's got to be an Onion headline, yes?
– June 27, 2012 1:11 PM
Sorry if I offended people--but I wasn't trying to be judgmental, I like a campy movie, etc., as much as the next person, and I actually have a lot of fun in my life. I get that Channing Tatum is a good dancer-- I liked the Step Up movies (also campy) -- and I can still think it's all a little tacky without it being inferred that I am a no-fun stick in the mud. Part of likeing something campy or tacky is not being offended when other people don't -- it's not high art, and people can disagree. Yeesh.
Roxanne Roberts :
One person's tacky is another's guilty pleasure. Cie la vie.
– June 27, 2012 1:13 PM
Amy, what was up with that column? We can't have two successful women sniping at each other for legitimate reasons? We have to turn it into woman-on-woman violence? This was about money, not gender. Sheesh!
Amy Argetsinger :
Oh, I think it was just a provocative question, one that she wasn't whole-heartedly championing herself but knew readers would want to debate and discuss and disagree with, which is all a columnist can hope for. . . . . What struck me about it is the premise of "why is this such a big story?" -- a surprising question I've heard from other people. In any other part of the country, there'd be no confusion about why the firing of the president of the flagship university is a big deal; of course it's a compelling story. But in a place as transient as Washington, where you have a lot of people Not From Here, there is a bit of a disconnect.
– June 27, 2012 1:13 PM
Actually, we should celebrate on July 2nd. That's when the vote was passed, and John Adams wrote in his diary that July 2nd would be the date celebrated through the ages. The 4th was the day the Declaration was ordered to be printed. Just sayin'.
Roxanne Roberts :
History is full of typos.
– June 27, 2012 1:14 PM
Did you catch the Letterman inverview with Justin Bieber? Absolutely remarkable. Letterman is the best at what he does, and the Bieber has nothing to say, but Dave made that entertaining. Worth checking out on the world wide web.
Amy Argetsinger :
I only saw the second half of the interview but it was epic television, completely electric, and I plan to go back and watch it online.
– June 27, 2012 1:15 PM
I wonder how the JFK intern/mistress's book that came out earlier this year did in sales. I betcha it does much better in sales overall. Rielle just comes off as a very unlikable person.
Amy Argetsinger :
It lingered on the best seller list for a number of weeks, actually.
– June 27, 2012 1:15 PM
Didn't he used to have a brother that acted? What happened to that guy?
Amy Argetsinger :
Luke, sigh. He got a little jowly, didn't he?
– June 27, 2012 1:15 PM
ASK HIM YOURSELF ALREADY. That is all.
Amy Argetsinger :
No, no, no, that's what we're here for. It's on the list. Just not very high up.
– June 27, 2012 1:16 PM
I'm going to DC on vacation and want to see/experience the cliche DC world? Where am I most likely to run into famous, power, or famous-for-DC people
Amy Argetsinger :
Oh, go to The Palm and Cafe Milano. Straight-up D.C. cliche. I can't guarantee you'll see anyone, but it's your best shot. You'll at least see people who look famous.
– June 27, 2012 1:17 PM
Isn't it kinda wimpy to take the job back? Seems like the only classy response to the firing would have been to walk away taking the high road. Asking people to fight to force them to give you your job back is sorta pitiful?
Amy Argetsinger :
You mean, the "I'll show them" response? That's kind of pitiful in its own way. I'm sure Sullivan must have heard just the right words from the board members proving that the really regretted their decision and really wanted her back. Honestly, why wouldn't she go back? The way things unfolded, she'll have the upper hand for a long time.
– June 27, 2012 1:19 PM
Didn't Nora Ephron have a quote about being possibly the only intern in the JFK White House NOT to get "hit on" by him?
Her term as a UVA rector expires June 30. Any word on whether she'll be reappointed?
Amy Argetsinger :
That's the question, isn't it? I wonder if she even wants a second term at this point.
– June 27, 2012 1:21 PM
When Dr. Clark Kerr was fired as the President of the University of California system in early 1967 (at Reagan's behest, right after he was inaugurated as Governor), all the student and alumni protests in the world couldn't get him reinstated. Do you think the change in media in the past 45 years made the difference in getting Dr. Teresa Sullivan reinstated at UVA?
Amy Argetsinger :
Hard to say. Apples and oranges, probably. Social media, etc., really caught fire with the Sullivan matter, but I don't know that it made a huge difference. Maybe. I don't know.
– June 27, 2012 1:22 PM
So, it's not a big sighting, but my husband saw Bryan Cranston in the security line at the Portland, ME airport. He did not say "Hi aren't you...." and "What brings you...." because he didn't want to admit that he's never ever watched "Malcolm in the MIddle" or "Breaking Bad". What do you do if you know the face but have never actually seen the work?
Amy Argetsinger :
That's a tough one, and something I agonize over quite a bit. Mobile technology, of course, has made it possible to pull up someone's IMDB page and remind yourself of the projects of theirs you have seen. I suppose one could always just say, "Oh, you're the actor Bryan Cranston," and then segue immediately into fellow-commuter small talk. Or, I guess, recognize the fact that you don't actually have anything to say to Bryan Cranston, and leave it be.
– June 27, 2012 1:24 PM
THIS! yes
Amy Argetsinger :
I'm going to delegate you to get some kind of social-media petition going on that, okay? I'm sort of tied up. Thanks in advance!
– June 27, 2012 1:25 PM
Too bad Katharine Hepburn isn't alive to write that--her relationship with Spencer Tracy was tawdry yet classy.
Amy Argetsinger :
"Tawdry yet classy" is a phrase that's going to stay with me.
– June 27, 2012 1:25 PM
Heartburn
Silkwood
When Harry Met Sally
Julia Child sections of "Julie and Julia" or whatever it was called.
Skip everything else she did. These range from brilliant to entertaining.
Amy Argetsinger :
Good ideas. Currently, though, a "long wait" on "Heartburn" via Netflix.
– June 27, 2012 1:26 PM
How much did Monica make off her book?
Amy Argetsinger :
Ah, good question. I bought it.
– June 27, 2012 1:26 PM
That Nora Ephron news was surprising, I had no idea she was sick. But really, the more surprising news -- Liz Smith is still alive? And she is still writing columns? Who knew?
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 1:26 PM
Are UVA grads somehow required to refer to the school as "Mr. Jefferson's University"?
Amy Argetsinger :
– June 27, 2012 1:28 PM
What about that professor and an administrator (I think) who resigned in protest over Sullivan's firing? Will they be rehired too?
Amy Argetsinger :
I was wondering if that professor will come back. . .
– June 27, 2012 1:28 PM
I just feel like you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Amy Argetsinger :
Well, it definitely will be interesting to see how this all works out in coming months. . .
– June 27, 2012 1:29 PM
When you're not trying to be judgemental, don't use the words tacky or hysteria. Yes, gaggles of women are being giggly about going to see the movie, but that doesn't qualify as hysteria. It may be odd that grown women are slightly embarrassed to pay money to gawk at beautiful men, but that is a societal thing, not a moral or value judgement. Just try not to rain on anyone's parade, and go take yourself off to see something literary and fully dressed.
For the record, I'm actually a little skeeved by Tatum's youth. I'm really looking forward to the other cast members though!
Amy Argetsinger :
Lots of chatter about this! I should get Petula to write a column on it.
– June 27, 2012 1:29 PM
I saw video of President Bush 41 in a wheelchair on his birthday. Is he recently injured, or is this the march of old age?
Amy Argetsinger :
He's been spending a fair amount of time in a wheelchair the past couple years.
– June 27, 2012 1:30 PM
Higher tone
You are talking about Latin and Greek translations while the Reliable Source ladies are talking about Rielle Hunter's book. Was there an equivalent to a predatory videographer in the Greek political circles.
A. Alexandra Petri
:There were a few lewd urns, but fortunately none of them depict John Edwards.
Roxanne Roberts :
De gustibus non est disputandum.
On that note, we'll wrap it up for today. Behave yourself, chatters, or you might end up in a book about your not-so-perfect life. Send your tips and sightings to reliablesource@washpost.com. Stay cool---we'll miss the chat next week butbe back in two.
– June 27, 2012 1:33 PM