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March 21, 2011

11:06
A.M.

Japan Nuclear Emergency: An Insider's Look Into Fukushima and US Nuclear Power Plants

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Host: Richard Lahey

Richard Lahey

Richard Lahey oversaw General Electric'€™s safety research in the early 1970s for the nuclear reactors used in Fukushima. He is an international authority in multiphase flow and heat transfer technology and was formerly Director of the Center for Multiphase Research (CMR) at Rensselaer. Lahey's expertise is nuclear reactor safety, and he has received numerous honors and awards, including the E.O. Lawrence Memorial Award of the USDOE, the ANS Seaborg Medal, the AIChE Kern Award and the Glenn Murphy Award of the ASEE.

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Former nuclear engineer Richard Lahey, who oversaw General Electric's safety research in the early 1970s for the nuclear reactors used in Fukushima, answered questions about Fukushima. Lahey also talked about nuclear power plants in the United States, how safe/dangerous they are, and if US citizens should ever have reason to worry about a nuclear meltdown similar to that of Fukushima.

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Radioactive fallout

Iwakuni JA is at 525.20 miles south west of Fukushima. Are we safe at all ?
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Yes, you should be quite safe there.

– March 21, 2011 11:35 AM
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Japan

In how many ways can radiation travel and be at harmfull levels to humans and animals, crops in the west. What about the Searl Technology for clean up?
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Gaseous radiation is easily transported by the wind but, other than iodine-131, it is not too dangerous since it does not stay in the body. Fortunately iodine-131 has a 8 day half life so in 80 days it is essentially all gone, thus no really enviromental clean-up is required. On the other hand, radiactive isotopes such as cesium-137 and stronsium - 90 have about 30 year half lifes, so if these are released in quantity ( this has not happened a t fukushima) , then one needs to avoid areas that have been contaminated by them.

– March 21, 2011 11:36 AM
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Nuclear Power Plants

Please explain the operational differences between boiling water reactors and pressurized water reactors.
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In a BWR the water coolant boils in the core and goes through steam turbines to produce electricity. In a PWR this steam is produced in a separate generator. Unfortunately both type of reactors would have been badly damaged by the earthquake and tsunami that hit fukushima since these plants were not designed for events this strong (ie, an 8.2 -design vs 9.0-actual earthquake)

– March 21, 2011 11:37 AM
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Radiation from spent nuclear fuel storage

Removing spent fuel rods from cooling ponds like those at Fukishima and placing them in dry casks stored onsite pending long-term disposal is being pushed in U.S. How much radiation would leak if these onsite containers are damaged by either natural or terrorist disaster? Won't they ultimately have to be transported to Yucca or some other permanent disposal site?
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Richard Lahey :

When the spent fuel is transferred to drycast it has normally been cooling in the pool at least 5 years, thus the level of radiaoactivity is relatively low , so air cooling is sufficient to prevent melting. However, in my view it would certainly be best to transport this spent fuel to yucca mountrain for more secure storage.

– March 21, 2011 11:38 AM
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Japan nuclear emergency

Is there a danger that plutonium will be released in the Fukushima disaster? And if so how does it compare with the danger posed by TMI and Chernobyl?
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Richard Lahey :

The way plutonium might be released is if the spent fuel pool fires get hot enough to create aerosol particle containing pliutonium and these were dispersed to the enviroment. So far it appears that nthe authorities in japan are bring the cooling of the spent fuel under control. Anyway, such things were released at chernobyl, but fukushima is a far less energetic accident that there.

– March 21, 2011 11:40 AM
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Fuel melting and RPV integrity

What is the likelihood that further fuel melting in Units 1,2 or 3 could result in ruptures to the reactor pressure vessels? And what would be the likely consequences of this occurring?
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Richard Lahey :

It is not likely as long as there is water in the reactor pressure vessels. The only concern that i have is long term cooling using salt water, since after a while the salt may plug up the fuel.  Anyway, if the lower head of the vessels does melt the corium released will interact with the concrete basemat and radioactivity will be released to the environment (not likely in this accident).

– March 21, 2011 11:41 AM
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Japan: radioactive material in drinking water

Since it was reported today (3/19), that trace amounts of radioactive iodine and cesium were found in the tab water as far away from the reactor site as Tokyo, I have the following question: How did it get into the tap water so quickly? Does it mean that groundwater may already be contaminated to some degree and, if so, how does this happen so fast? Thanks.

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Richard Lahey :

My understanding that some well water contamination has been found near the fukushima plants ( it came from the releases todate). I have not heard of any excess radiation in the tokyo water system. Anyway, it no surprise that radiation has found its way into the water near the plants.

– March 21, 2011 11:48 AM
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Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant has polluted waterworks

I'm living in Tochigi prefecture that is placed in the next to Fukushima prefecture. 2 days ago, Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology(MEXT) reported a study of quality of water that shows 77Bq/kg of boron131 and 1.6Bq/kg of cesium137 has been detected in waterworks in Tochigi. Do these numerical values mean dangerous? And are we able to drink the tap water directory on a long term basis? If so, how long have we been able to continue to drink the tap water. Please advise me so I'm so scared.
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Richard Lahey :

This is not my area of expertise, however, i do not believe that these are not very high levels, anyway, best to check the iaea website for levels in water where you should become concerned.

– March 21, 2011 11:48 AM
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thorium fuelled reactors

Could thorium be a viable alt to uranium reactors?  What issues need to be solved, and would this be a better prospect to solve our energy problems than fusion, which still seems as long away as it did in the 60's? Thanks. - Dave

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Richard Lahey :

Thorium can be used as a fuel, however the type of concerns associated with the releases during a nuclear emergency (such as that at Fukushima) would be similar.

– March 21, 2011 11:49 AM
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Fukushima

Do you think this disaster will influence policy of on-site waste storage in this country?
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Richard Lahey :

I hope so. I believe that the safety and security of spent fuel pools has not been seriously addressed, even though most of the problem seen at fukushima were pointed out in a national reserach council report (nrc) published in 1995.

– March 21, 2011 11:50 AM
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us nuclear industry

How do you feel the disaster in Japan will impact the US nuclear industry? Do you feel that plans for new units will be shelved? If so, does this cause a safety concern as older units, that may have otherwise been replaced, will have to stay on line and continue to serve demand?
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Richard Lahey :

There will likely be reviews of nuclear power safety technology all over the world - and this is a good thing. I hope it does not hurt the construction of new plants s incethey have many new features which improve their safety performance. In contrast, i hope that more attention is paid to the life extension of older plants and to spent fuel pool safety; it is long overdue.

– March 21, 2011 11:51 AM
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Resumption of power production at Fukushima

Will the Fukushima complex be able to resume power production in the foreseeable future?
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Richard Lahey :

I do not think these particular plants will be used again (certainly not those with salt water in the cores).

– March 21, 2011 11:58 AM
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Reactor Containment

Do you think that the containment vessel at the Fukushima reactors will hold if the fuel melts? Are there any materials presently known that can passively withstand decay-heat meltdowns?
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Richard Lahey :

If the corium melts through the bottom of the pressure vessel (which is very unlikely since they are submerged in water). It will likely penetrate the mark-i containment , react with concrete basemat and be released to the enviroment. This could be mitigated by filling the contaiment itself with salt water , but this has not yet been done to date.

– March 21, 2011 11:58 AM
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On crime of the nuclear plant builders

Does it acceptable to build a nuclear plant in the earthquake and tsunami dangerous place like Fukushima?
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Richard Lahey :

Japan is a very seismically active country and there are no sites that are immune from such things. Since they really have few domestic fuel sources they need nuclear power . Anyway, they are well aware of the hazards associated seismic events. The big problem was that these plants were designed for 8.2 quakes rather than the 9.0 one that actually occured.

– March 21, 2011 11:59 AM
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Electrical Power to Run Reactor Cooling Pumps

Given that the reactors shutdown automatically because of the earthquake , the electrical grid to power the necessary cooling pumps was also knocked out by the earthquake, and the backup generators were then flooded by the tsunami waters -- Why couldn't they have brought in a set of mobile diesel generators to replace the water damaged units and used those to power up the pumps? That could have been done within a very short time after the earthquake instead, they they are still struggling to rig up electrical power from the damaged power grid.

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Richard Lahey :

My understanding is that this was tried but they equipment they brought in was not compatible with there systems. If so, this indicates that more detailled disaster planning needs to be done in the future.

– March 21, 2011 12:14 PM
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Lessons learned?

What have we learned from Chernobyl and Three Mile Island? I read the WaPo's article on the subject, and I didn't discern any real lessons - except not to build a concrete sarcophagus over a melted down reactor. But what SHOULD we do in the case of a meltdown? Entomb the reactor in steel? Abandon the area and everywhere within 50 miles? Accept that our lives will be shortened by radiation?
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Richard Lahey :

We have learned from each nuclear emergency event. The real meassage here is that more detailled emergency planning is needed. Also, in a seismically active region like japan you need to over design your systems (ie, these plants were designed for an 8.2 rather than 9.0 quake and associate tsunami ). Anyway, the cleanup and health-related consequences to the general public will be quite similar to tmi-2

– March 21, 2011 12:15 PM
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Safety cocern of Boilg Water Mark I

I recently read a NYT article saying that there was a strong argument in the 70's that the design of Mark I nuclear power plant, which the beleagured Fukushima powerstation uses, could potentially pose a great risk. I think you are aware of the argument. What is your opinion or position on this argument?
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Richard Lahey :

As you may know, all future bwr designs used other pressure suppression contaiment designs. However, the safety concerns that you are referring to had to do with containment loads , not the events that we are seeing at fukushima. Unfortunately, almost any type of contaiment system would have trouble if it were designed for a 8.2 quake and associate tsunami, and got hit by a 9.0 quake.

– March 21, 2011 12:17 PM
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Terrorist Danger?

I have read that a number of U.S Nuclear plants utilize the same G.E. Mark 1 design as that used in Fukushima. Given that the spent-fuel pools are located high in the reactor-building, and are protected by nothing more than a thin-metal building superstructure, isn’t that design highly vulnerable to a terrorist attack? Could the terrorists easily penetrate that building-top with aircraft and damage the spent-fuel cooling pond, resulting in a dangerous spent-fuel radiation release?
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Richard Lahey :

I suggest you read this piece by the Post: 5 myths about nuclear energy

– March 21, 2011 12:20 PM
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