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July 26, 2011

11:32
A.M.

The growing economic gap between whites and minorities

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Host: Rakesh Kochhar

Rakesh Kochhar

Rakesh Kochhar is Associate Director for Research at the Pew Hispanic Center. Dr. Kochhar’s work at the Center focuses on trends in the employment, income and wealth of Hispanic workers and households. Prior to joining the Center, Dr. Kochhar served as an economics consultant to government agencies, private firms, international agencies and labor unions. He has served as President of the Society of Government Economists and as an International Economics Fellow of the Ford Foundation. Dr. Kochhar received his Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees from the University of Delhi, India and completed his doctoral studies in economics at Brown University.

About the topic

Rakesh Kochhar chatted about Pew Research Center's recent report about a growing economic gap between whites and minorities, leaving whites on average with 20 times the net worth of blacks and 18 times that of Hispanics, according to an analysis of new Census data. Kocchar answered questions about the research behind this finding and what it means.

Related: Census data show wealth of whites is 20 times that of blacks, widest US gap in quarter-century>
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Rakesh Kochhar :

Hello everyone,

Thanks for joining us today to chat about our new report on the wealth of U.S. households and how it was affected by the Great Recession. I am Rakesh Kochhar and with me today is Mark Hugo Lopez, Associated Director of the Pew Hispanic Center.

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The Growing Economic Gap Between Whites and Minorities

It is my understanding that a minority of white households, (approximately one-half of one percent), control more than a quarter of the wealth in the U.S. What is the average wealth of whites if this extremely wealthy group is not factored in? It would then seem that the gap between most whites and other groups would not be as great.
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Rakesh Kochhar :

Our study uses the median as a measure of household wealth. The median is not affected by extreme values--very high or very low wealth. Mean values are much higher for all groups. The ratios of means across groups are also smaller. In 2009, the mean wealth of white households was 3.7 times that of both Hispanics and blacks. As you note, the mean gives greater weight to high wealth individuals.

– July 26, 2011 11:35 AM
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Historic data

What was the net income gap between Blacks and whites during the first part of the 19th century? I ask because it has been claimed that the gap today is similar to what it was during slavery, which would be a bad indication of how much economic progress has been made by African Americans. I am wondering if this is statistically correct.
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Rakesh Kochhar :

Unfortunately, we do not have data on the wealth gap from the early part of the 19th century.

– July 26, 2011 11:36 AM
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inequality

What would you say has been the main reason for this shift in fortunes between whites and minorities in the last quarter century?

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Rakesh Kochhar :

The main reason is a combination of the housing downturn and the recession itself. Minorities draw relatively more of their household wealth from home equity (they have relatively less of financial assets). In the period we studied, 2005 to 2009, home prices fell much more than stock prices. Also, Latinos are concentrated in areas of the country, like Arizona, California, Florida and Nevada, where the housing downturn was more severe. Finally, unemployment rose more among minorities most likely placing greater strain on their finances.

– July 26, 2011 11:39 AM
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Census Data

This data seems to be very useful to many researchers, as well as to the country. With the cutting of the Economic Census, this data will no long be collected. What does this mean for your research?
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Rakesh Kochhar :

The data in question, the Survey of Income Program and Participation, is clearly very useful for looking at wealth and other economic issues through the prism of race and ethnicity. If these data are no longer available it place greater reliance on wealth data from the Survey of Consumer Finances. The SCF covers wealth more extensively but features smaller sample sizes.

– July 26, 2011 11:42 AM
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Net worth of Immigrant households

Thanks for giving the opportunity to ask the question. Is there any specific data on the wealth of Indian households in specific? I have been living in US for the last four years and can see that almost all the people I know of are doing very good despite some trouble during the actual course of recession.

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Rakesh Kochhar :

Unfortunately, we don't have a large enough sample size tolook at Indians alone. We did estimate median wealth for Asians and that also fell quite a bit, about 30% after adjustments are made to the sample to remove the effects of rapid rates of immigration. The report offers more details.

– July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
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The growing economic gap between whites and minorities

Ok - so how is it going to change?
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Rakesh Kochhar :

Economic trends have a habit of reverting to the mean. Chances are that in the long run the wealth gaps will shrink from the current levels. How soon or how much is anyone's guess. From 2009 to 2011 we know that housing prices have stabilized (helping minorites a bit); foreclosures have continued to climb (not helping minorities); and stock prices have begun to recover (helping the wealthier households).

– July 26, 2011 11:48 AM
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Generational economic disparity

How much is the disparity is economically-generational, by that I mean whites generally come from middle/upper class families. As a result, their children have a better grounding/assistance from their families (401Ks, loans for schooling, home down payments, savings, etc.) than is generally seen in Black and Latino households. Yes, many people of color have made economic/educational strides, but many of us don't have as much help getting out the gate compared to most whites - statistically, speaking
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Rakesh Kochhar :

Wealth, certainly, is passed on from generation to generation. As you note, that can give a head start to future generations and is a key benefit of wealth accumulation (and a reason for studying wealth in addition to indicators such as income).

– July 26, 2011 11:54 AM
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Bush Tax Cuts

What has been the impact of the Bush Tax Cuts on this divide? I assume it has only increased the gap.
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Rakesh Kochhar :

Our report is not able to parse out the many factors that may have contributed to the changing wealth gap.

– July 26, 2011 11:56 AM
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Reverting in the long run, but growing now?

How much and how long could you estimate the gaps growing before the trend of reverting kicks in?
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Rakesh Kochhar :

We do not have an answer to this. A lot would seem to depend on the economic recovery.

– July 26, 2011 11:57 AM
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Rakesh Kochhar :

Thank you everyone for your questions. We are out of time now. You can find our report at www.pewresearch.org.

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