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August 6, 2012

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Advice from Slate's 'Dear Prudence'

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Emily Yoffe -- a.k.a. Slate's advice columnist Dear Prudence, offers advice on manners, morals and more. She is also Slate's Human Guinea Pig, a contributor to the XX Factor blog, and the author of What the Dog Did: Tales From a Formerly Reluctant Dog Owner.

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Emily Yoffe :

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Complicated family issues

My husband was estranged from his parents for many years. He reached out to them when he was diagnosed with a terminal illness. They didn't have enough time to discuss and resolve their past, but they were at peace with each other when he died. Now my husband's parents wish to keep in touch with me and my toddler aged son, as he is the only link they have to their only child. The problem is that my son is not my husband's biological child. I had an affair, the biological father dumped me upon realizing I was pregnant, and my husband (to cut the complicated story short) decided to raise the baby as his own. He didn't legally adopt our son - we simply put his name on the birth certificate and that was that - or tell anybody other than our marriage therapist. It was a painful, regretful and humiliating episode of my life and I do not wish to tell even my own parents. But I feel incredibly guilty whenever my in-laws talk to me about how grateful they are to have a grandchild to remember their son, or make comparisons between my son and my husband when he was at a similar age. I feel like I need to come clean with them before they develop a strong attachment to him. They are already talking about changing their will to include their "grandson." What should I do?

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Emily Yoffe :

Your late husband was your baby's father.  In untangling your tale, my reading is that  that you were married to your late husband, you cheated and became pregnant, your husband knew, but he stepped up and claimed paternity. I'm sure readers better versed in family law will chime in, but my understanding is that in such a situation your husband would be considered your son's legal father and no adoption procedure was necessary.  He also was your boy's father in every other sense. Yes, you will have quite a story to tell your son when he's older, and I believe he is entitled to hear it.  (When you do bring this up, you can put the best face on the fact that your husband, his father, loved him and wanted to raise him, and not cast his origin story that  his biological father was a slime.  ) But I don't think your late husband's parents need to hear this.   Of course they see similarities between your son and theirs. It may be that both boys were confident and verbal, so their observation is correct. In any case,  seeing such connections is  natural and there's no reason to disabuse them of this.  Keeping up a connection to your son's paternal family surely will only benefit him  -- he's not going to get anything from his actual biological father. And I don't see any reason to deprive your child of a potential inheritance. There has already been enough loss in your little's boy's life. There's no call to cause an estrangement with loving grandparents; it's not deceptive that their son was your son's father.  And some night, after you tuck your boy  into bed, watch the excellent film, The Painted Veil.

– August 06, 2012 1:12 PM
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Father/son problem

Dear Prudence, My husband and I raised three wonderful children together, two daughters and a son. All of them are adults (our son is the youngest, at 24) Last weekend when my son was visiting I was shocked to find them in the computer room together viewing pornography online! This is the first time I've ever caught my husband watching porn, so that was a hard blow in and of itself, but I realize a lot of men are into it and are very good at keeping it discrete, so I can get over that part of it I guess. What really freaks me out though, is that they were watching it together. Is it normal for a father and son to share this pastime, or am I right in being very concerned about what's going on? I still need to get over the shock of this before I can listen to my husband explain himself. Seriously icked out

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Emily Yoffe :

So your husband and son were planning to watch the Olympics, and they couldn't take anymore gymnastics, so they turned to what they each agreed was a more entertaining format for watching the contortions the human body is capable of.  Father-son bonding is to be encouraged, but I agree this is a seriously icky form of it. Your husband should have known better and I'm surprised your son didn't say, "Dad I don't think I want to watch your favorite porn star with you."  However, I don't think becoming "very concerned" is the way to go.  A little wryness would go a long way here.  You can just state to your husband that you have heard all men watch porn, but you hope he understands it was disconcerting to see that proven in your own computer room.  Say you don't intend to start monitoring your your husband's computer use. You respect that both he and your son are adults, but watching porn together erased some lines you think are better left sharp. Then drop it.  And next time you hear the two of them shout, "Perfect dismount!" don't open the door.

– August 06, 2012 1:17 PM
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Dead dog dilemma

When my oldest son was eight, we decided to get a dog. I've raised dogs before so I had a fairly good idea of what I was getting myself into, until I realized our new dog was the devil's spawn in furry disguise. I won't get into all the trouble he caused. We made a difficult decision to send him back to his previous owner, but my son was adamantly against it. He went on a hunger strike and refused to speak to anyone, including at school (he inherits the drama queen gene from both his parents). So one day we sent him to his grandparents under the guise of a happy weekend outing, and secretly took the dog back. After our son came home we lied and said the dog died. To make it believable we pretended to have buried the dog in the backyard. My son is now 13 and he still goes to the "grave" to mark every anniversary of the "death," which in itself is impressive because he doesn't even remember his own birthday. Anyway, the problem is, we are now moving home. My son has been increasingly worried about leaving Scooter behind and has been asking us to exhume his body to re-bury him in our new house. He is insisting that he be there to witness the "ceremony" of exhuming and reburying as he feels he never got a proper chance to say goodbye at the original "funeral." Knowing our son, he would be devastated and perhaps scarred for life if we admit the truth. I know it was wrong to lie but we don't want our son to lose trust in us forever because of what happened in the past. What should we do?

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Emily Yoffe :

Apparently you haven't heard that the lie parents tell children when they get rid of a pet they can't stand but the kids love is that  Scooter is now "living on a farm out in the country." I understand that melodrama runs strong through your family, but part of the  job of parenting is helping your child deal with painful emotions and reign in their drama queen tendencies.  I assume if you had told your son that you knew he adored Scooter but unfortunately Scooter was just not the right pet for your family, eventually your son would have eaten and spoken again.  You should have explained the kindest thing to do is what you did:  return Scooter to his previous owners. You don't mention getting another dog, which is unfortunate because that would have given your son the experience of dog ownership and helped loosen the grip of Scooter's memory.  If you continue in your deception presumably your son takes a shovel and starts his fruitless search for Scooter. Then presumably you tell some lie about dog decomposition. It's time to fess up. Start with an apology.  Say you realize you did something wrong five years ago out of good intentions gone awry. Tell him what actually happened. The truth has some comfort in it because  Scooter lived and presumably found another home. Tell your son you know he'll be angry and justifiably so, and that you two have learned a difficult lesson about telling the truth, even if it's hard. Say you hope he'll learn about forgiving people who make mistakes and own up.

– August 06, 2012 1:26 PM
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I may have gone too far with my daughter

Hi Prudie! I have the most wonderful 16-year old daughter, but this weekend I was horrified I might have been too open and honest with her. My wife and I have always tried to be as forthcoming as possible with her. As she has grown, we have had to obviously teach her about more adult topics. For instance, when she mentioned her friends had beer at a party, we lectured her on the dangers of drinking and driving, and supervised her drinking some beer at home (including showing her the effects using a breathalizer). When she started to get interested in sex, we lectured her on the dangers of teenage pregnancy and STDs, as well as giving her detailed lessons on her anatomy. Well, she started to get really interested in boys this summer, so my wife and I decided we would take the next step and show her the ways of self-pleasure in case she started to get those types of feelings when she goes back to school this fall. I even went so far as buying her a "toy" women can use to help relieve these desires and tensions, and I showed her how to use it. Now I just feel horrible. Should I have just let natural development take its course and trust in the education and lectures we have given her over the years? I sure hope I haven't damaged her growth and development. She really is a beautiful young woman and I just want what is best for her. Thanks for any advice!

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Emily Yoffe :

Your hands-on approach, from alcohol to  sex toys, needs some serious rethinking.  I also have a 16 year-old daughter and I just reviewed a book for Slate about talking to your kids about sex . I'm all in favor of honesty and openness (even if I'm not in favor of watching porn with your grown children), but I'm having a hard time calling forth the image of you Dad, demonstrating how to use a vibrator. Please tell me you demonstrated on yourself, not her. If it's the latter, then you have committed a grotesque violation and your daughter will need to see a counselor -- who might call the authorities on you.  Every family is different, but in the natural course of events your 16 year-old develops an aversion to explict sex talk with Mom and Dad, especially talk  that involves conversation about her clitoris and how best to stimulate it. There are plenty of great books out there on sexuality you could have given her and said you two are around to answer any questions she may have.  But again, if in helping her to understand self pleasure you applied a vibrator to your daughter, then you need professional help.

– August 06, 2012 1:35 PM
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re: Father/Son Problem

My ex and his father watch porn together. I found out when I walked in on them in the "man cave" at his parents house. Later, when I expressed my shock/discomfort, he was equally surprised that I didn't watch porn with my mom. This was five years ago when my ex was 35. I am not saying it is any less gross. I am just letting you know that you're husband/son aren't the only ones doing this.
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Emily Yoffe :

You have a minority response. Others are suggesting that this may be a sign there is some long standing sexual violations going on between father and son. Even though every day I get letters showing how depraved people can be, I don't think there's any reason to think what mom saw was evidence of something worse than what it was.  Sure, she should talk to her husband, but I still say keeping cool is the way to approach this.

– August 06, 2012 1:41 PM
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Half vs. Whole Siblings

My ex-husband and his wife are expecting a new baby this winter. My kids are excited but nervous about this new sibling. My daughter is especially wary about being replaced as her dad's "baby." My mom told my kids, within my earshot, that half-siblings were different than full siblings, and this made them feel better. I guess my daughter told her stepmother the baby would only be her half-sibling, and this really upset my ex's wife. She and my ex had a long talk about how this baby will be her brother or her sister no matter what. Now my kids are confused and even more agitated. My ex wants me to talk to my mom about the "half sibling jibe" but frankly I don't think my mom did anything wrong. Do I need to do anything, here?
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Emily Yoffe :

If you and your husband were still married and you were expecting another child your daughter would be worried about being replaced as the baby.  Since you have more than one child you went through this yourself.  I assume you didn't reassure the oldest that the new baby wouldn't really count.  Your mother was out of line and you should have corrected her privately, and then told your kids you disagree with what grandma said. Yes, she was right that their new sibling will have a different mother and won't live with you all the time. But you disagree with their grandma about feeling differently about this child than they do about each other. Tell them they are going to have a new brother or sister who will grow up thinking they are the greatest. Brava for your husband's new wife for wanting his existing children to be fully part of this expanding family.  My husband grew up with two older half-siblings and though he came to understand they had a different father than he and his younger brother, the entire family was treated as a unit and he makes no emotional distinction between his "half" and "full" siblings. If people are lucky, that's the way it should turn out.

– August 06, 2012 1:45 PM
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re: Dead Dog Dilemma

Keep that secret buried in the yard with the fake dog body! The son sounds like he has some development issues. Tell him it's illegal to dig up a grave, and that the dog was buried in that location because it was his favorite spot in the yard and that it only seems right to keep him there. Then get another dog or a fish for the son. This is ridiculous. Don't come forward with the truth to a 13 year old, wait until he's in his 30s with hopefully more maturity.
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Emily Yoffe :

This is the consensus response, keep up the fake story.  I'm willing to concede a farewell ceremony for Scooter --sans exhumation --  may be the right way to go. The parents are in the best position to know if their son is now mature enough to handle hearing what really happened to Scooter and that his  parents told a rather cruel fib.

– August 06, 2012 1:50 PM
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Deception by Omission

Prudie, your advice with the LW whose child is not the bio son of her dead husband is pretty shady. If the bio dad does pop back up and wants some kind of relationship with the kid, her lies are going to surface and it is going to be bad for her, the child and the grandparents. This is a case where she should be honest, that her husband agreed to raise the child as his own and he is listed as the father on the birth certificate, but is not the biological dad. Otherwise, it's a lie by omission that they will eventually find out about (I say that assuming she will tell her child at some point that his father is not his bio father), and all heck may break loose.
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Emily Yoffe :

I understand it may be contradictory that I'm in favor of the truth about Scooter, but not about the grandson. But as I said, legally and I believe morally the boy was the son of his late father.  I don't think it's a lie for the grandparents not to know about the affair,  and it is not shady to maximize the relationship between a fatherless boy and his grandparents.

– August 06, 2012 1:55 PM
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Crying During Sex

My boyfriend has recently grown a beard and I told him that I don't like it, but he's kept growing it. I tried changing my strategy and telling him how much I love it, but he's done nothing about it. A few weeks ago, while being intimate, I told him that it bothered me. We've been intimate since then and it's been the usual great time. However, this weekend (we only see each other on the weekends due to my work situation), we were doing our thing and I started to sob uncontrollably. Something about his beard was making me extremely uncomfortable and panicky. He stopped but he was hurt. I tried to explain my feelings to him, but he doesn't understand. I've not been molested by anyone that I know of and I cannot explain what happened with the overwhelming feeling of panic with the beard. What happened and what do I do to get over it?
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Emily Yoffe :

It's a good thing this is not a universal reaction of the female of the species to bearded faces or else today there would be no female or male of our species because Ogand Oga would never have gotten it on.  Since you don't say you are subject to panic attacks, this sounds like a strange anomaly, one that you don't want to make too much off so that you create your own Pavlovian reaction. You can understand your boyfriend being baffled that some facial hair caused a complete psychological meltdown. It also could come across as rather manipulative:   even though you don't like his beard and will try to live with it,  he'll just have to live with your getting hysterical and hyperventiliating if he touches you.  I don't know what happened to you, but spending more time with your boyfriend in the daylight outside of bed might help you readjust your expectation of what his his face looks like.   You two could also try to bring a sense of humor to this episode ("The Great Beard Meltdown").  But if this continues you either need to see a therapist, or he needs to get reacquainted with his razor.

– August 06, 2012 2:03 PM
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My womb My choice

Dear Prudence, I recently went to lunch with a friend I hadn't seen in quite some time. Over lunch we were catching up on our lives and what was currently going on. When I mentioned that I was five months along with my fourth child, she freaked out!! She told me that I was selfish for having another baby and for not opting to adopt a fourth child!! She also said that anyone who has three kids should be FORCED to adopt if they are planning on having more children. I was speechless and not sure what to say to this!! She of course is a single woman with one child. She went on and on about how I was selfish because there were kids that needed families and that by me having more of my own children I was making the world's overpopulation worse. I told her that somehow I doubt my four kids will kill the water and food supply. She just kept saying that I was selfish. Thankfully, the check had arrived so I paid for my meal and left. Since this disasterous lunch, she has been emailing me articles about the pros of adoption. She also has left messages on my cell phone asking to see me. I don't know what to do besides ignore her, but I am tired of the incessant phone calls and emails!! Please help!!
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Emily Yoffe :

Please don't compound her horrible mischaracterization of you by making one of your own: "She of course is a single woman with one child." I'm not single, but I only have one child and I wish you only happiness with your brood and appreciate you're doing more to create taxpayers to fund my Social Security payments than I have myself.  (You will appreciate the new comedy video by Jim Gaffigan. He and his wife just had their fourth and he says people say such things as, "That's wonderful. I didn't realize you were Amish." ) Your friend's idea about forcing reproductive choices on people would make her a successful  local functionary in China, but it turns out she is a lousy friend here.  Send her an email that states her communication to you has become harrassment and if it doesn't stop immediately you unfortunately will be forced to take legal action. Then block her emails, and if you can, her calls.  And if she won't stop, it might be worth the small payment to have a lawyer send her a cease and desist letter.

– August 06, 2012 2:11 PM
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Workplace awkwardness

I'm in a really awkward situation here. A co-worker with whom I've had several 5-minute conversations but nothing more recently sent me an email telling me how beautiful I am and wondering if I had a boyfriend. I figured it was for somebody else, so I ignored it. I then received a facebook message with much the same content, so I know it was for me. This guy doesn't even really know me -- we've only spoken a few times! I have absolutely no attraction towards him. He's a nice guy though, and I try to be a nice person as well, and I am totally unsure of how to handle this. Do I just live through the awkwardness at work and pretend nothing ever happened? I'm usually a drama-free person who can handle this sort of stuff just fine, but I am really dreading returning to work now.
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Emily Yoffe :

You need to  step up and deal with it in a drama-free way. Tell him his emails and Facebook posts were totally inappropriate and you don't want to get any more such personal messages. Keep copies or screenshots of what he sent. Then if he won't stop, take the evidence to human resources and say you tried dealing with this yourself, but he's not getting the message.

– August 06, 2012 2:18 PM
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I am the other woman

Dear Prudence: A couple of months ago I had a brief romance with a man who, as I later discovered, was married. I immediately broke it off. Although I was upset and hurt, I decided to forget about it and move on. But his wife found some of our text messages - nothing racy, just a little bit of flirting, asking each other how their day was, etc. This apparently (and understandably) aroused her suspicion and she started calling me. I never answer calls except for known numbers, so I didn't pick up at first. She must have thought I was avoiding her on purpose. She's left me a few messages (one of them with a crying baby in the background - I'm guessing their child) tearfully asking me to call her back because she wanted to know what was going on. I'm also receiving text messages. I really don't know what to say to her. This man and I never slept together but we went on a lot of dates and did stuff couples do when they first start going out. If it were me, I'd want to know if my husband was starting an illicit romance. But I also don't want to destroy a marriage or hurt this woman. Should I tell her honestly that we dated briefly? Ignore her? Lie and say I went after him but nothing happened? What?
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Emily Yoffe :

How horribly distressing to find  evidence that while you're home nursing the baby, your husband is out drinking  with another women. You have no obligation to respond to her. It sounds as if she's got plenty  to nail her husband, who is probably lying to her about everything. You can continue to ignore her, but if you feel if the situation were reversed, you'd want to be told, then the next time she call, answer.  Tell her the truth, that he presented himself as a single, you dated but did not have sex, but when you found out he had a wife, you dumped him. Then leave it at that -- you don't want to get into further weepy conversations while she tries to extract all the details.

– August 06, 2012 2:25 PM
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My single life upsets people

My wife and I had a whirlwind romance. We met just after college, got married five months later, and had a great relationship - until she passed away shortly before our first wedding anniversary. This was almost 10 years ago. Despite our short married life I still love her and feel as though she might walk in through the door any minute. There have been some women romantically interested in me but I didn't feel the same way about them. My family and friends have been vocally critical about my single status over the years. They say I'm depressed and over doing my grieving, neither of which is true. I still love my wife, but I don't feel like I'm still in my grieving stage, nor do I feel sad or depressed. They say it's weird for me to remain single for so long and that I should "find happiness" with someone new. But I am perfectly happy with my life, I don't feel lonely, and I have no real desire to start a relationship with anyone. Are they right, though? Is there something wrong with me for not wanting to get married again?
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Emily Yoffe :

Even though you say you're not sad and grieving, it's striking that 10 years later you still expect her to walk through the door. You might be suffering from a form of "complicated grief" and I think it would do you good to explore this with a counselor.  Sure it may be that your late wife was the one and only love of your life. But as someone who married a widower, I was lucky to find out people can have more than one love of their life.  I think your friends are onto something when they think that someone who was capable of great devotion and connection is missing something by going through life without a partner. But if after exploring this you conclude you're happiest solo, then you can confidently tell them you appreciate their concerns, but your life works for you.

– August 06, 2012 2:31 PM
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re: workplace awkwardness

Does she really have to be such a jerk? This guy is, by her own admission, a "nice guy," - not the office sleezeball. He's also a co-worker - not a boss. He wrote to say she's beautiful, and wants to know if she has a boyfriend. Presumably he wants to ask her out. I think it's enough that she just says "I'm flattered, but I'm not interested," without threatening to call HR on him! Men have it hard these days ...
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Emily Yoffe :

Okay, okay, good point.  I'm turned off by his approach. Sending a co-worker  messages about her beauty shows very poor judgment. He should have engaged her in conversation, see how went,and then ask, "If you're not seeing anyway, would you be interested in getting dinner some night?"  I agree she should politely tell him she's not interested -- but I still think she should take that screen shot.

– August 06, 2012 2:38 PM
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Emily Yoffe :

Thanks everyone. I've got to now tell my daughter that our late beagle, Sasha, is not romping on a farm.

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