How do you rank D.C. as a food city compared to other U.S. cities?
Tom Sietsema :
This is not a good week to answer the question, not after the last several dispiriting meals I've had in the area. I'm thinking about the cloying Korean cooking at the renovated Palace Kitchen in Annandale; the gloppy Chinese fare at a previous favorite, X.O. Taste, in Falls Church; and the disastrous Turkish dinner I experienced just last night at Ezme in Dupont Circle, where the iskender -- shaved slices of dull meat and torn dried bread topped with a catsuplike tomato sauce -- sent me running for another restaurant.
Where does DC rank? Right now, and I think the economy is partly to blame, I'd put the city behind New York, Los Angeles (where the regional Chinese, Mexican and other cuisines are tops), San Francisco, Chicago, Portland and Seattle (in that order, more or less).
What sayeth the crowd today? And where have you dined recently around town that's been good? (I liked the new We, the Pizza on the Hill.)
We're chatting at noon today, trying to avoid the hiccups that have accompanied my last few 11 a.m. food chats. With luck, we'll return to the normal routine next week. Thanks for your patience on the matter.
Lots of questions today. Let's begin.
– August 04, 2010 12:01 PM
Apologies, because I think this has already been covered recently, but what would be your top few choices for RW?
Several places are already full, reservations-wise (like Birch & Barley), and I'm looking for maybe two places where I can still book a table for 2.
I'm considering J&G, Againn, Kemble Park, Masa 14, not necessarily in that order. Thank you! You've helped us find some real hidden gems in the past!
Tom Sietsema :
For Restaurant Week (Aug. 16-22), you should consider places that would normally be a splurge. J & G Steakhouse certainly falls into that category, and it happens to be as good now as when I reviewed it shortly after it opened.
I like Againn, but I haven't seen its RW menu yet. I'd skip Kemble Park Tavern, though, and my last meal at Masa 14 was just OK.
Other places you might consider: Bibiana downtown, Eola in Dupont Circle, Montmartre on the Hill, New Heights in Woodley Park and the Oval Room near the White House.
– August 04, 2010 12:02 PM
Tom, Could you offer a few choices in DC for an important first date!? I would love to do something like Estadio, but the potential for a long wait for a table and no option for a reservation are making me think twice.
Tom Sietsema :
Tell me more about what you're looking for, food- and setting-wise.
– August 04, 2010 12:02 PM
I'm not surprised to hear that you're disappointed in your dining guide visits. I recently went back to two places that I always thought of as solid, maybe not revolutionary but reliable for a good meal. Both of them were just so bland, so soulless, with some plates downright disgusting (threw out more than half). Why aren't restaurants trying any harder?
Tom Sietsema :
Excellent question. The problem isn't just with the high-end places, either. Up and down the range of restaurants, I'm experiencing more middling food than in recent seasons.
Could it be the heat? The sluggish economy? Too many young chefs taking time off to be new parents? (Not that that's a bad thing, but my timing hasn't been great in regard to the last scenario.)
– August 04, 2010 12:06 PM
Good place to eat in Annapolis for dinner. Not too much money.
Tom Sietsema :
Annapolis is not a hotbed for great places to eat. Of the less expensive, non-chain places, however, The Rockfish in Eastport might suit your needs. Focus on the oysters, the crab cakes and the Asian-style wings.
– August 04, 2010 12:06 PM
Hi Tom. I am heading to Sonoma for two days in September and am looking for recommendations for one really special meal and one or two really good ones.
Some of the places I've heard about are Madrona Manor, Cyrus, Farmhouse Inn, the Girl and the Fig, La Salette, Cafe La Hay, and Dry Creek Kitchen. Do you (or any of the chatters) have any experience with any of these - or something else to recommended?
Because we're short on time we may not make it to Napa, so that limits our options somewhat. I also want to avoid anything too stuffy or pretentious, we like to eat but we're probably not "foodies" and don't want to feel uncomfortable or out of place. Thanks so much!
Tom Sietsema :
Sante, in the Fairmont Sonoma Mission Inn, is getting some good press (Michelin awarded it a star last year). And according to the San Francisco Chronicle, Douglas Keane continues to deliver four-star fare in Healdsburg at Cyrus, which I enjoyed immensely a few years back. For something different -- Portuguese -- keep the rustic La Salette, in the town of Sonoma, on your to-do list.
Any chatters care to weigh in?
– August 04, 2010 12:06 PM
You know what is under-rated, in my opinion? 701. It's gorgeous since the remodel, the bartenders are top-notch, the menu is interesting and delicious, but no one goes. They have a variety of different specials now to lure people in, like two courses, with wine, for $35, but it's often nearly empty. Definitely worth visiting.
Tom Sietsema :
I wouldn't say nobody is going there. It's been fairly active on my visits. Did you know that there's already a new chef? Ed Witt, briefly of Morso, took over from Adam Longworth recently.
– August 04, 2010 12:10 PM
I know DC bans smoking in restaurants, but what is the policy for patios and outdoor seating? Had a ruined evening lately -- not by the smoker(s) so much, but by a rather loud/rude (non-smoking) person at another table making remarks for all to hear and complaining to waitstaff. As much as I would like everyone to quit smoking, I think rights balanced with civility should rule. Honestly, I was more annoyed at the complainer than the folks killing themselves (and possibly us) with their Marlboro Lites. The smoke seemed less offensive than the rudeness exhibited. What does one do?
Tom Sietsema :
Carry ear plugs? Ask to be reseated? It's hard to complain about noise/conversation when it's happening outside.
– August 04, 2010 12:14 PM
Hi Tom,
I am thinking Plume or Inn of Little Washington for our upcoming 15th anniversary wih overnight stay. We've been to the inn way back when but always want to come back, on the other hand, we would like to try a new place.
Tom Sietsema :
I like Plume a lot, but it hardly compares to the Inn, which has a dreamy country setting and star chef Patrick O'Connell to its extensive credit. Plus, don't Seven Deadly Sins in a pretty garden sound more enchanting than a cheese plate eaten indoors this time of year?
– August 04, 2010 12:20 PM
Kudos to our waitress last night (Catherin I believe) who helped us make good decisions and perfectly personified the style of the restaurant. FYI the "adult" milkshakes could be a meal in and of themselves. A very enjoyable dinner with buddies and it's great I'm sure for families in the area. We saw tons of kids in the restaurant and the staff did a great job with them.
Tom Sietsema :
My service has been both great and not. You're right about those milkshakes.
What movie was playing when you were in? So far, I've seen (parts of) King Kong, Streetcar Named Desire, Some Like it Hot ... Love the fact I can multi-task at Ted's.
– August 04, 2010 12:20 PM
I'm new to the Silver Spring area, can you recommend some dinner places for a new transplant? I've heard of Jackie's as a recommendation. Where else would you go for dinner if you found yourself in Silver Spring on a given night?
Tom Sietsema :
Hate to say it, but I had a seriously underwhelming dinner at Jackie's a couple weeks ago: tough empanadas filled with near-raw summer squash, dry meatloaf and a waiter who just went through the motions of serving my party. Love the groovy vibe there, but the cooking isn't where it should be. Bummer!
Your best bet is to stick with the foreign mom & pops, places like Mandalay for Burmese and Samantha's for Mexican and Salvadoran.
– August 04, 2010 12:20 PM
Tom- I'm submitting early because ever since the, ahem, improvements to the chat were made, I can no longer post a question from my Government computer. Can you have the web folks look into that? Anyhow, I'm off to Zaytinya for dinner this week. Is there anything I shouldn't miss? My go to dish is the Kibbeh Nayeh, but what else should I look for? Thanks!
Tom Sietsema :
My big problem at Zaytinya is what to leave out; there are *dozens* of things you don't want to miss on the restaurant's epic menu of dips, salads, fish and meat.
Among the many hits are the apricot-carrot fritters, the squid with lemon sauce, beer-battered skate, the falafel, the lamb chops, the refreshing fruit drinks .... I could go on and on.
– August 04, 2010 12:21 PM
In a perfect world, every menu would offer lots of options well executed. My SO and I are having discussion. I happen to like a restaurant that offers a moderate, seasonal menu (kitchen substitutions can happen anytime) that is generally very well done. My SO likes variety and expects wider options on a menu if the "specials" don't appeal. I like to give the chef latitude. SO believes the customer is king or we go elsewhere. We're all different. What do you like to see on a menu and how much variety do you think a restaurant needs to offer?
Tom Sietsema :
More and more, I prefer a handful of well-thought-out choices to a bunch of "stuff." Part of the reason I like to eat out (aside from the fact it's my JOB) is the chance to experience what a chef thinks might be best or most interesting or true to the season or whatever.
One of the most impressive meals I had recently was culled from a menu with fewer than 10 dishes -- total. Unfortunately, it occured in Providence, RI, rather than here in town. (Yes, you can expect a Postcard from Providence later this month.)
– August 04, 2010 12:26 PM
Hi Tom.
Thank you for taking my question. Do you know of any good steak restaurants in Fairfax that are not chains and have 1 or 2 dishes for non-meaters? A friend is craving a good steak and I'd like to support him but I'm not a meat-eater. A generic veggie plate is fine. Thanks.
Tom Sietsema :
Let's see. Artie's serves a rib-eye steak (along with prime rib Thursday through Saturday) . You could start with the spinach-artichoke dip and segue into a meatless pasta or salad.
– August 04, 2010 12:31 PM
I think that the worse thing about DC restaurants is investors who want $$$$$. Bet you anything that a big chunk of the restaurant bill we pay at the end of the meal is not for food, drinks and service. How can a talented young chef become a Michael Richard or Ris Lacoste when they have investors breathing down their backs? As far as I am concerned most of the stuff investors provide is superfluous or detracts from pleasurable eating environment. Do we really need to pay big bucks for a meal in a fancy restaurant in which we can't hear each other? Some of the consistently best meals I have ever had were at the Key West restaurant that instead of sparkling metallic brik a brak and weirdly shaped geometric plates has roosters rooming between tables. Yet, the food is amazing and getting a reservation is not easy even for repeat & repeat diners.
Tom Sietsema :
Now THAT grabbed my attention! Pray tell, where can we find this restaurant in Key West with roaming roosters?
– August 04, 2010 12:33 PM
Hi Tom - Im very excited about your postcard from Providence. I grew up there and live in DC now and when I was younger, people went to Providence for italian food only. My family is still there so I visit often - can you give us any sneak peeks so that I know what to look forward to when I go home next?! thanks!!
Tom Sietsema :
A preview: One of the best restaurants in Providence is actually in Bristol. Ever heard of Persimmon? Delightful.
– August 04, 2010 12:39 PM
Blue Heaven restaurant.
GREAT breakfast (among others)
Tom Sietsema :
– August 04, 2010 12:40 PM
In an economy heading for Depression and not a double dip restaurants are watching their costs. They are cutting quality and using cheaper products and cutting staff. Not the first hired but their more experienced and higher paid staff members.
Also restaurant suppliers are doing the same to maximize profit cutting costs by reducing quality. You get what you paid for.
Tom Sietsema :
Spoken like an insider. I think you're right.
– August 04, 2010 12:41 PM
Tom sez: "Too many young chefs taking time off to be new parents? (Not that that's a bad thing, but my timing hasn't been great in regard to the last scenario.)"
Are you taking time off to be a new parent? Or do you just mean that you've gone to restaurants where the chef has done that?
Tom Sietsema :
Ah, let me make myself clear. A few places I've been to recently were without their top toques (new dads tending to freshly minted offsprng), which resulted in some less-than-stellar meals.
– August 04, 2010 12:44 PM
Regarding roosters in Key West. The better question would be what establishment DOESN'T have roosters roaming around. At a recent stay at a B&B in the keys I felt like I had to pay off a mafia rooster every morning with a piece of muffin or things would nopt have ended nicely for me.
Tom Sietsema :
I always though it was CATS I needed to watch out for down there ....
– August 04, 2010 12:45 PM
So, Tom, how can we protest? I've pretty much stopped eating out but it doesn't seem to have any effect on winnowing out the weak...rather, they seem to be increasing.
Tom Sietsema :
For starters, we can only hope some of these chat transcripts are read aloud at restaurant staff meetings.
– August 04, 2010 12:47 PM
Another great option is Zazu, at 3535 Guerneville Road in Santa Rosa. It's not far from the other options mentioned. Not stuff or pretentious at all, and really delicious, fresh food.
Tom Sietsema :
– August 04, 2010 12:48 PM
So, Portland tops DC in the restaurant scene, eh? Interesting. Anyway, followed your postcard recommendation and had dinner by myself at Le Pigeon in Portland, while visiting about a month ago. I must say my pork-themed meal (pork belly, pork chop, bacon bit-sprinkled vanilla ice cream) was really good and it run me about hundred bucks (I also had three glasses of wine). I must admit that I also much enjoyed watching the staff doing their thing in the open kitchen. Good recommendation.
Tom Sietsema :
It might not be as big as ours, but Portland's dining scene is really exciting right now. (It helps to have building blocks, like great wine, nearby.) Happy to hear Le Pigeon is still delicious.
– August 04, 2010 12:51 PM
So by Providence, you actually mean all of Rhode Island will be covered in the post card?
Tom Sietsema :
No. I was there for only 60 hours or so (but I managed to fit in 9 meals).
– August 04, 2010 12:52 PM
Investors provide start-up and additional capital and support for a chef/business in which they hope to see some profit/gain, financial or otherwise. Investors come in all stripes. Some just want to show-off, some just want return, some just want a tax shelter, some just want a place to take their friends, etc. Investors are not boogey-men. Investors are less a problem than inefficiency, inexperience, or unrealistic expectations/business plans and cash-call shortfalls. Just sayin. BTW, NEVER invest in a restaurant without expecting to at best break-even. Making money is just a pleasant surprise.
Tom Sietsema :
I wish the hour wasn't winding down. This is interesting stuff.
– August 04, 2010 12:53 PM
beat Oregon wines overall any day!
Tom Sietsema :
I like to support the home team, but ... seriously?
– August 04, 2010 12:54 PM
Portland, ME or Portland, OR?
Tom Sietsema :
– August 04, 2010 12:55 PM
I wonder if part of it is overexpansion of themes and local chains/brand names. Every chef and investor seems to think they need at least four or five restaurants and I find that the quality of all of them goes down the more they open. They throw money into the recent one and let the others alone.
Tom Sietsema :
There are certainly exceptions. Michel Richard's Central and Cathal Armstrong's Majestic, etc., come to mind.
– August 04, 2010 12:57 PM
Hi Tom,
Time for a last-minute question? I'm looking for a second-date suggestion. Not too expensive (entrees under $20), near a metro, and near fun things to do (museums, parks, whatever). But to complicate things, can't be Mexican or East Asian. Can you help? Thanks!
Tom Sietsema :
Cafe Divan (Turkish) near National Cathedral? Seventh Hill for pizza on the Hill? Perry's in Adams Morgan for the rooftop fun?
– August 04, 2010 1:02 PM
Not a first date but a first dinner date...help! Fairly familiar with the restaurant scene, something in DC, not too pricey, ethnic/adventurous is good. I'm not sure why I'm drawing a blank!
Tom Sietsema :
Let me try to help by jogging your memory. What about the vegetarian platter at the new Ethiopic? Sushi or grilled skewers of meat, best enjoyed at the counters of the trendy Kushi? A delicious taste of England at Againn?
– August 04, 2010 1:02 PM
I'm not sure why I need to say I'm posting early or if I should come up with some comment about how I won't be on-line during the actual discussion but I'd just like to say that I appreciate your Sunday reviews as well as these chats. But I thought that if I didn't let you know I was posting early, and let everyone know I'm in a meeting (that they're not), you might not post my comment. Oh. Any suggestions for inexpensive Chinese take-away in Gaithersburg/Rockville? Glad you have a sense of humor.
Tom Sietsema :
Have you made the acquaintance of Michael's Noodles yet? If not, you should.
I barely made a dent in its 250-item menu when I reviewed the place last year, but I can vouch for the shredded pork with dried bean curd, the snack of tiny fried fish with peanuts and hot peppers, the steamed rockfish and ground chicken with sour cabbage, a Taiwanese dish.
Hope to get Wai Wang on the phone; she's the best guide in the place.
– August 04, 2010 1:03 PM
I'm a long-time Silver Spring resident. Besides Tom's suggestions (Samantha's in great but not really in downtown Silver Spring), try Sushi-jin on Fenton and Ollazzo on Georgia. Iknow know Olazzo is part of a chain, but the food is delish, preices are reasonable, and the staff is really helpful. Another place I'm hearing a lot of good things about, but haven't been yet, is 8407 Kitchen Bar across from the Metro. Also, there's a guy with a crepe truck at the Fenton & Silver Spring Ave. market every Saturday - his crepes are delicious, and it's fun to watch him make them.
Tom Sietsema :
Thanks for chiming in. My experience with 8407 so far is very mixed (but I dig the decor).
– August 04, 2010 1:06 PM
Hi Tom - Can you recommend a place for a date night dinner in Philadelphia? We are taking advantage of visiting relatives to have an child-free overnight this weekend. Our go-tos here for date night are Palena (cafe), Masala Art and Proof. Fond is on summer break, we have reservations at Bibou but they only serve 4 course sunday dinner and it might be a little much - keep the reservation or go elsewhere?
Tom Sietsema :
You should find a few ideas in my recent Postcard from Philly.
Thanks for a lively hour, gang. See you back here next week (maybe at 11 a.m., perhaps at noon).
– August 04, 2010 1:07 PM